James Patrick Holding's threats are laughable

Last week Holding posted this comment to one of his videos:

DecKrash1 week ago

If it's possible, you ought to use Weird Al's song, "I'll Sue Ya" as background music for the next video about this scumbag. :-P

tektontv1 week ago

I actually did refer to that song as exemplary of his work in a TheologyWeb thread in 2015. It offended him so deeply that he referred to it in his home state complaint. Just so everyone knows, I will be putting out at least one video/blog entry on Doscher every two weeks until he stops harassing me with lawsuits. In addition, if I find out or hear that he has written to anyone about me disparagingly, they will be sent links to any relevant documents such as the expert witness testimony on his bus "accident". I'm not playing any more.

First, I think Holding is a being irrational here:  He says he'll be posting one video/blog entry about me per week until I stop harassing him with lawsuits?  That doesn't even make sense: he knows this third libel lawsuit is going to remain in active litigation for at least the next year.  it isn't like I file lawsuits against him on a weekly or even yearly basis.

Second, he's also irrational because now that he has my 97-page Complaint, he knows exactly why I characterize as libelous his reports of my prior judicial proceedings.  If Mr. Holding continues to misrepresent those proceedings in future posts, I will be amending the Complaint to add new charges.  If his future reports on those judicial proceedings are not libelous, I'll be arguing that because Holding knew after February 21, 2019, how to report on those proceedings in a non-libelous way, he likely also knew how to do this in non-libelous fashion before that date, therefore, the libels as currently alleged in the Complaint were not the result of his mistaken understanding of libel law, but his willful flouting of it.

And given Holding's proud boasts in 2015 about what a legal scholar he is with his 7 years of running a law library, and the fact that he was sued twice in the past for libel, he likely won't be telling the jury in 2019 or 2020 that his misrepresentations in 2017-2019 of my prior court cases were because he was honestly ignorant of what the law required of him.  No sir, Mr. Know-It-All cannot plead ignorance...unless he wants the jury to think him dishonest.  That's the price you pay when you are a know-it-all...when you fuck up, you cannot plead ignorance, and at that point you look as culpable as it is possible to look.

Third, I must assume that Holding finally figured out that the cheapest lawyers (i.e., the Christian lawyers Holding went to first, who thus are the most likely to feel sorry for him and offer him a discount on legal fees in the name a' Jesus) felt that he was wrong, told him he was wrong, and as a result, he won't be misrepresenting my prior court cases anymore because he doesn't desire to lose more Christian friends.
(Holding has also already admitted in one of his YouTube posts that his own lawyer during the 2015 lawsuit told him he could gain an advantage by removing a libelous article about me...clearly this lawyer did not agree with Holding's morality or his interpretation of the law...leaving the readers to wonder:  Did Holding then call his own lawyer and 'dumbass' and 'moron', the way Holding calls names at anybody else who disagree with his infallible opinions?  If not, why not?  Is his name-calling arbitrary?  Does he play favorites the exact same way that any atheist would?).

Fourth, for those who wish to know how "scared" I am of Holding's threat to post more about me every time he finds out I talked about him with some new third-party, here is my response:

I recently did a google search for Holding, found out he gave a speech in 2007 at the Shepherd's Fellowship Baptist Church, so I emailed the senior pastor there and warned him about Holding, and we had a discussion, which included me providing said pastor with a copy of the 2019 Complaint.  When the pastor said he knew Holding's apologetics were harsh but didn't know he did anything wrong, I then sent the pastor a copy of the 2016 Florida Complaint...you know...the one which extensively documents Holding's repeatedly employing pornographically filthy slurs that show him to have the emotional maturity level of a demented 12-year old juvenile delinquent.

You know..the sins of abusive speech and slander that Holding has never, and will never, repent of?

Here is the email exchange so far:

a 3rd libel lawsuit against James Patrick Holding

Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com>

Feb 17, 2019, 3:33 PM (4 days ago)

to clifflea, pastor

Hello,

I understand that James Patrick Holding is or was a member of your church, according to

http://www.sfofgso.org/apologetic.asp.

Don't know if you are aware, but Mr. Holding's sins of reviling and slander are utterly out of control.

I had to file a civil lawsuit against him for libel.  You can keep up with the case here

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/26884971/Doscher_v_Apologetics_Afield,_Inc

The 97-page complaint is attached for your convenience.

I would ask that you start the Matthew 18 process, given that Mr. Holding's sins of slander have been on-going without ceasing for the last 20 years, he isn't known for much more.

 15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.

 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.

 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.    (Matt. 18:15-17 NAU)

 Attachments area

Cliff Lea           

Feb 19, 2019, 12:09 PM (2 days ago)

to me

Barry,

                I’m sorry for what you are going through in this case.  I know JP, but he has not been associated with our church in several years.  He attends a church in the Orlando area now…so I don’t sense the need for church discipline from us.

Sincerely in Christ, Pastor Cliff

Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com>  

Feb 19, 2019, 1:15 PM (2 days ago)  

to Cliff

Thank you for your response.

Well, do you have any ideas about what I might do?  Has Mr. Holding done anything that would warrant Christians in praying that God move him to repentance?

Cliff Lea        

Feb 19, 2019, 1:23 PM (2 days ago)  

to me

I don’t really have much to offer.  I have heard that he can be harsh in his apologetics, but I’ve never observed anything personally that caused me concern…

Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com>  

AttachmentsFeb 19, 2019, 1:40 PM (2 days ago)     

to Cliff

Ok, then FYI, attached is the 2nd libel lawsuit Complaint I had filed against Holding in 2016.

Go to page 23, paragraph 106 and following, I had to document Mr. Holding's immoral language.

Holding is not merely "harsh" in his apologetics, but so pornographically filthy that even other Christian apologists such as Steve Hays and Dr. James White have objected to it.

Any conservative evangelical would likely find Holding's slanderous abusive speech to be in violation of Ephesians 5:4 and Colossians 3:8----

 3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;

 4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.

 5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. (Eph. 5:3-6 NAU)

 6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,

 7 and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them.

 8 But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.

 9 Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices,

 10 and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him--   (Col. 3:6-10 NAU)

Once you read the attached 2016 Complaint, you'll likely find that Holding for the last

20 years has been that "brother" who constantly slanders or "reviles" others, the "brother"

whom Paul said must be expelled:

 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one.

 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?

 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. (1 Cor. 5:11-13 NAU)

I am constantly flummoxed at how Holding can have such a filthy reputation and yet so many upstanding evangelical conservative Christians apparently either don't know or don't care about his many sins of slander.

    

Feb 20, 2019, 7:55 AM (1 day ago)

to me

HI Barry,

Thanks for reaching out. I haven't had a chance to look at your complaint yet, but I just wanted to let you know that the link you sent is just to a conference that took place back in 2007 in which he was one of our speakers. He was not then, nor has he ever been a member of our church. As far as I am aware, we have had no contact with him nor have we promoted him or his ministry in probably ten years. Sorry to hear about your situation though, I pray it is resolved.

Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com>  

Feb 20, 2019, 11:16 AM (1 day ago)

to Jeff

Might I get your scripturally based opinion then?

Do you believe the morality requirements in Ephesians 5:4 and Colossians 3:8 are absolute upon all genuinely born again Christians in all times, places and circumstances?

Or would you side with Mr. Holding and argue that such passages are limited in scope, and that using pornographically filthy language to slander and revile critics of Christianity is allowed for in the bible?  And thanks for praying about the situation.

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Let's be generous:  I responded to this pastor FOUR times.  Therefore Holding can feel free to create 4 new posts/videos about me...as long as they show that he has, since I filed this latest lawsuit, learned how to stop violating comment F to the Restatement (Second) of Torts § 611.  (Once again, if his future posts report on those prior court cases in a fair, accurate and impartial manner, I will be arguing that Mr. Know-It-All knew how to do this between 2017-2019, the time when he composed the libelous posts now at issue in the current Complaint.  If his future posts about my prior court cases continue his pattern of misrepresentation, I'll be amending the Complaint to add new charges.  He will either comply with my wishes, or suffer legal penalties).

For obvious reasons, I fear Holding's threat to continue posting about me, about as much as I fear a newborn gazelle might possibly brutalize a pack of hungry lions.

Once again, James Patrick Holding is a remorseless obstinate pretentious cocksucker, who clearly thinks preserving his pride is always more important than honestly admitting his sins of slander and reviling.  But like a rabid pit bull, not even recent experience with getting kicked in the head ($21,000 in legal fees to get rid of my 2015 lawsuit) has any effect on him.  He bites the live electrical cords, sparks fly, he eyeballs melt, but animal instinct compels him to just keep chomping down regardless.


Like a reptile, he can do no other except repeat the past behavior that resulted in him sustaining serious injury.   I'd have more luck teaching an alligator to stop being a carnivore, than in convincing Holding to quit playing with fire.

I also strongly suspect that the Christian lawyers he's already contacted, conveniently became "too busy" to represent him after they read the 2019 Complaint.  While Holding has a lot of contacts within the Christian world, I'm betting $50 the exact lawyer that he ends up hiring in this case won't themselves be a Christian. Defending this bitch would require the services of a person who cares more about generating billable hours and less about whether his client is actually guilty as charged.  You won't find too many "Christian" lawyers like that.

What a scumbag, not even Christian lawyers will take his case!

James Patrick Holding is likely partnering with City Blessing Church

 Since Mr. Holding appears to care about ceasing to slander me about as much as a hungry alligator wishes to walk away from a fresh kill, I post the following in the effort to mitigate the reputation damage I endure or will likely endure.  I  have good reason to believe I discovered the identity of the Indonesian church that Holding is trying to sell his dogshit apologetics to, so it only makes sense that I reveal that here and then supply them with comprehensive reasons to take whatever Holding says about me, with a few barrels of salt.

James Patrick Holding tells about his attempts to interest another church is his apologetics bullshit, but for unknown reasons, refuses to tell the reader the identity of that other church. 

  In 2018, we have two missions afield planned.   
The first will be to a church in Philadelphia which is the church home for immigrants from Indonesia. I already have a link to the parent organization of this church, and I regularly attend the branch church in the Orlando area.

 see here.

He is, again, questionably ambiguous about exactly through whom he partners so that donations to him become tax-deductible:

 The first will be to a church in Atlanta which is the church home for immigrants from Indonesia. Yes, this is associated with the same parent organization of the branch church I regularly attend in the Orlando area. I am making the rounds, so to speak, as a prelude to a planned trip to Indonesia itself.
...All donations are tax-deductible, though as I noted in my ministry manifesto, I will now be working through third party organizations rather than one of my own. You will receive a receipt from that third party organization I am working with.

see here.


The only Indonesian church I could find in the Orlando area, that had any hope of being the one Holding was talking about, was the City Blessing Church, pastored by Freddy Liwang, see here.  If you wish to warn those church leaders away from Holding, their email addresses, which I gleaned from their publicly acessible websites, are

Fredy Liwang 

fliwang@gmail.com

Orlando, FL
1450 Citrus Oaks Gotha, Fl 34734

Janto Djajaputra
jantoiren@netzero.net

Steve Efendik
stefanusefendik@gmail.com

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This is a message to City Blessing Church
or whatever Indonesian church Holding attends:

Holding has an extremely serious pathological desire to commit the sin of slander against me, a sin that has been in full force since long before 2015, and all such sins of which I have fully documented both at this blog, and in the two libel lawsuits I filed against him in the past, which you can access here.


The two documents from that link that would most extensively record Mr. Holding's libels are:

• 01 - State Lawsuit, Doscher v. Holding,    and even more extensively, 
• 11 - Federal lawsuit, Doscher v. Holding

The next problem is that Mr. Holding has never expressed or implied that he has any genuine remorse for his many sins of slander in both past and present.  That is, not only does he engage in this sin with impunity, but he is so horrifically ignorant, he doesn't recognize the act to be sin, he actually thinks it is holy and good (!?)

What would you think of a Christian apologist who thought committing adultery was a sign of spiritual maturity?  Would you donate to his dogshit ministry?  Not likely, some things simply aren't open for debate?

Indeed, Mr. Holding is so sick-headed with his own pathological narcissism (i.e., the only people who "follow" him are other like-minded juvenile delinquents who mistake his self-gloating defamatory cartoon videos for serious scholarly substance/spiritual maturity, while actual serious scholars who previously publicly supported him, have withdrawn that support for obvious reasons), he actually thinks that his filthy slanders and false accusations against his critics constitute spiritually mature conduct.

He certainly isn't going to say the conduct he's been engaging in for 20 years shows spiritual immaturity, so he doesn't have a lot of room to trifle about the significance of the trail of verbal garbage he has left behind in his sinful tirades, which otherwise is about the only thing that he is "famous" for.

Mr. Holding is also a hypocrite; you don't find him saying filthy things or slandering others when he is authoring articles for other Christian organizations such as Christian Research Institute.  And despite his strong belief in the spiritual goodness of insult, he never even once insulted atheist Richard Carrier during their live debate in 2011.  Maybe Holding's bible has a verse that says namecalling is only allowed to be done over the internet?

This man continues to libel me presently on youtube and other websites, almost as if his escaping having to answer the merits of the prior two libel lawsuits (though technicalities) somehow emboldened him to think he was absolutely immune to any possible libel suit.

Search "turchisrong" and "James Patrick Holding" on google, and you will see all of my extensive documentation here that Mr. Holding is a closet-homosexual, is disowned by his own favorite scholars, and because his violations of Ephesians 5:4 and Colossians 3:8 are deliberate and willful, he is disqualified from holding any type of "teaching" position in any "Christian" church.

It is not without good reason that James 3:1 discourages most Christians from becoming "teachers".

 Even if you aren't a "bible scholar", do you really need to be told that there are ZERO legitimately credentialed evangelical Christian scholars who agree with Holding's absurd view that Jesus wants his followers to go around slandering their critics?

Mike Licona and Gary Habermas strongly advise Christians against slander, as I've documented.  See here.

Craig Blomberg agrees, as I've documented.  See here.

Plenty of legitimately credentialed Christian scholars agree, as I've documented, see here.

Back in 2008, the one scholar that Mr. Holding depended on the most to justify saying the bible authorizes today's Christians to insult and belittle their critics (Dr. Richard Rohrbaugh) made perfectly clear, after analyzing a sample of Mr. Holding's gratuitously insulting language toward me, that Mr. Holding

• gives Christianity a bad name
• does not deserve to be given the time of day
• is a boor with no manners, and 
• sounds like somebody in serious need of psychological help.  

See my 2008 post here.

In 2015, Dr. Rohrbaugh cursorily reviewed Mr. Holding's most definitive article in defense of name-calling and slander (an article that quoted Rohrbaugh), and said it was an "obvious perversion" of Rohrbaugh's own work, a perversion of all Context Group work, a perversion of the entire New Testament, and was so bad, he did not even deem the article worthy of any response.  See here (search for "obvious perversion" to quickly locate Rohrbaugh's actual comment).

 In short, Mr. Holding's sin of slander arises from his absurd interpretation of the bible, i.e., that the bible authorizes today's Christian to hurl abusive shaming insults and epithets at anybody whom they disagree with.  It also arises from his genetics, since most mature responsible adults do not consistently manifest a pathological need to constantly spread factually and legally false information about other people.  If you cannot condemn a dog for barking...

I have never falsely accused Mr. Holding, he really is a slanderer and closet homosexual.  But he is also too chickenshit to debate me in a true scholarly way.

His idea of "debate" is to upload defamatory cartoon videos to YouTube, wait for me to make my own reply here, so he can then post another reply-video there.  Mr. Holding would rather die than actually confront me in a real-time debate.  But he is going to endure it anyway because I'm going to be suing him again for libel per se, and I'll be taking a full deposition of him as we both sit at the same table, with video camera and court reporter recording everything, with intent to use Mr. Holding's answers to impeach his credibility at trial.

(Oh, did I mention?  Mr. Holding's current libels against me are occurring after he spent $21,000 in legal fees to get my prior libels lawsuits dismissed.  Normally somebody getting that lucky would "learn the lesson", but Mr. Holding has misconstrued his two lucky wins as a sign that God wants him to continue telling defamatory lies about me to the world at large.  How's that for pathological obstinacy?)

And even if his name-calling were biblically justified, he would still be guilty of sin:  the bible obviously requires Christians to refrain from falsely accusing others.  Mr.  Holding has not merely called me names, he has slandered and reviled me, numerous times as my documentation shows, supra.

Now what?  Maybe Holding will have a vision of God and suddenly discover that there are times when falsely accusing another person can possibly be good and holy?

No, the bible forbids any such foolishness:

...it's one of the 10 commandments, so perhaps Holding just never knew this was in the bible?

 16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (Exod. 20:16 NAU)

Gee, I don't live next door to Holding, so maybe he is thus free to falsely accuse me?

Moses elsewhere specified you shall show no mercy to the one who has falsely accused another:

 16 "If a malicious witness rises up against a man to accuse him of wrongdoing,
 17 then both the men who have the dispute shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges who will be in office in those days.
 18 "The judges shall investigate thoroughly, and if the witness is a false witness and he has accused his brother falsely,
 19 then you shall do to him just as he had intended to do to his brother. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.
 20 "The rest will hear and be afraid, and will never again do such an evil thing among you.
 21 "Thus you shall not show pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. (Deut. 19:16-21 NAU)

 John the Baptist condemned those who falsely accuse others:

14 Some soldiers were questioning him, saying, "And what about us, what shall we do?" And he said to them, "Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages." (Lk. 3:14 NAU)

Jesus condemned anyone who committed "slander":

 18 "But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.
 19 "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
 20 "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man." (Matt. 15:18-20 NAU)

 Apostle Paul demanded that you disfellowship or excommunicate any so-called "Christian brother" who engages in the sin of reviling (i.e., slander):

 9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;
 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.
 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one.
 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. (1 Cor. 5:9-13 NAU)

Paul also believed that the sins of abusive speech, slander and coarse jesting, sins that are abundant in Mr. Holding's "apologetics", are the reason why God's wrath continues to abide on many:

 1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children;
 2 and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.
 3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;
 4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
 5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them; (Eph. 5:1-7 NAU)

 5 Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.
 6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,
 7 and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them.
 8 But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.
 9 Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices,
 10 and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him-- (Col. 3:5-10 NAU)

Holding's filthy jesting toward his critics are also some of his sins which I've extensively documented, here.

Holding's prior sins of slander include characterizing his critics as having giant penises which they use to hit other people in the head with.  See here, and search for "pee".

Christian apologist Steve Hays in 2005 accused Holding of having an unsavory attraction to homoerotic terms.  In 2016 Hays tried to pretend that these words of his were mere satire or otherwise "just kidding", but I proved Hays to be a first-rate liar, with an examination of the full context of that 2005 post.  See here.

See my own study of the Greek terms at issue in Paul's condemnation of slander and libel, here.
(search for the phrase "NT ethical principles would demand that these things arguably legitimately question whether he is "saved" at all")

Apostle Peter condemns slander:

 1 Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
 2 like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation, (1 Pet. 2:1-2 NAU)

 And he who spreads slander is a fool. (Prov. 10:18 NAU)

If you have any specific questions, for example, you aren't quite sure just yet whether the bible's prohibitions on false accusations are absolute, I'll be happy to answer them here, or in private email, barryjoneswhat@gmailcom.

James Patrick Holding running scared? Yes, apparently

A few months ago, James Patrick Holding asserted that his tax issues related to his ministry work would be handled by third parties:

What's this going to take in terms of time and money? The B and E aspects of my mission will be developed each year, and I will tie fundraising into specific mission trips. As each set of trips is planned, we'll announce for specific fundraising needs that will cover the need for everything from travel to personnal expense. All of this will be done under the banner of Apologetics Afield, though again, the tax issues will be handled by selected third parties I align with. To meet the goals each year, I will set up a special fundraisers at the blog linked above. 

See here.

In another blog entry, Holding said anybody who makes a tax deductible donation will receive a receipt for this from the third party organization he works with:

All donations are tax-deductible, though as I noted in my ministry manifesto, I will now be working through third party organizations rather than one of my own. You will receive a receipt from that third party organization I am working with.

See here, it's the second-to-last paragraph.

Since Mr. Holding, even on his website and blogs announcing this shit, didn't disclose the name of this third-party organization he is working with, I decided to donate one dollar, in the hopes that I would get a receipt from this third-party and therefore obtain enough information to contact them and inform them about how Mr. Holding's past and current desire to engage in slander utterly disqualifies him from any teaching position in any Christian turch.

Well...tThe most fearsome spiritual warrior in God's army, James Patrick Holding, issued me a refund very quickly, and I still haven't gotten a receipt that identifies any third-party organization that Holding is working with.  Here's the emailed refund receipt:

service@paypal.com <service@paypal.com>
Wed, Dec 26, 5:56 PM (2 days ago)
Hello, Christian Doscher

Apologetics Afield refunded $1.00 USD from your purchase on December 26, 2018.
The money was refunded to your VISA x-0888. It may take a few days to appear on your statement.
Your refund summary
Transaction ID: 5LG45575Y4622714K    
December 26, 2018 17:55:00 PST
Total purchase amount     $1.00 USD
Amount refunded     $1.00 USD
 
Refund paid by
Apologetics Afield

Refund paid to
Christian Doscher
barryjoneswhat@gmail.com

Refund details
Refund to VISA x-0888
    $1.00 USD
        PayPal        

You'll notice who paid this refund:  "Apologetics Afield".  Not the "third-party".

So unless some fool wishes to trifle that maybe there's another third party out there who has the same exact name as Holding's Apologetics Afield corporation, it's pretty clear that it is Holding himself who paid the refund.

In other words, Mr. Holding was aware that I would find out the identity of the third party organization he works with, if he kept that dollar.  Therefore, Mr. Holding's refund is reasonably interpreted to signify that he didn't want me to know which third party organization he works with.

Gee...why would Mr. Holding fear my knowing something like that?  Could it be that he has, once again, successfully hoodwinked this third party, and he hasn't given them what I would give them...the level of detail regarding his many sins of slander that utterly disqualify him from teaching ministry?

Holding will, of course, boast that this is not the reason, but then let him supply me the name, website, email address and physical address of the third-party organization he works with, then we can confirm that his dogshit excuse is actually serious.  Since that won't be happening, at least not until I force to make such disclosure through the legal process, then no, Holding's denial isn't serious, its motivated by nothing but a narcissistic pathological need to constantly barge ahead and look good regardless of how much evidence there is that he is not good.

Unfortunately for Holding, all he is doing is increasing legal costs for himself. 

You see, this was my attempt to learn, in cheap fashion, the identity of other people Holding is likely to have communicated with regarding myself or regarding the the two prior libel lawsuits I filed against him.  And that's something that is obviously relevant to my planned future libel lawsuit against him.

Since he doesn't wish to do this the easy way, we'll do it the hard way, and I'll be asking him, in the discovery phase of the next lawsuit I file against him, to identity that third party organization.  After all, I've made enough noise on the internet about him that it is at least reasonably likely that they googled his name, they found my documentation of his many sins of slander, and like any good Christian church, were concerned and thus can be plausibly presumed to have had discussions with Holding that involved the subject of myself and my two prior lawsuits against him. 


And if Holding stupidly tries to tell the jury all I wanted to do in this was defame him to this third-party organization, I will confront him with the reason for this (i.e., I will confront him with my personal motivation  for wishing to get in contact with this Holding's third-party ministry partner...it is because

a) they are Christians who believe the bible is the word of God.
b) the bible makes abundantly clear that foul jesting, abusive speech and slander are sin,
c) the bible makes abundantly clear that any "brother" who engages in "reviling" or the like is to be shunned,
d) the good people of this third-party church deserve to know ALL of the gory details about Holding's past and present slanders,
e) lest they pretend that I falsely accuse Holding, they also deserve to know why it is that my past and future lawsuits against him were and will be legally and factually justified in full, that the courts who dismissed the last two lawsuits were in error to do so, and therefore, I am accusing Holding of disobeying Romans 13 by disobeying the secular civil laws, here, the laws asserting that libel is a civil injustice that is actionable for damages in court.
f) thus leaving this third party wondering what to believe, the simple evidence confirming all of this, or Holding's trifling excuses in his effort to "explain" everything away.
 
I sincerely believe that Mr. Holding's ceaseless slanders and foul jesting render him disqualified, under biblical criteria, from the office of Christian teacher.  If Holding is going to place my personal motives at issue, then I'll be testifying as to what exactly they were.

That's the fucked up situation you put yourself in when you

a) go around constantly slandering others, yet
b) you also want other Christian churches to think that you are free from the sin of slander

James Patrick Holding: abusing vulnerable people

Post date:  December 6, 2017


Just a few minutes ago, I clicked on each of Holding's YouTube Videos as shown below

..and "reported" them for "Hateful or abusive content > Abusing vulnerable individual"with the following message added:

This video is about me, Christan Doscher,  I suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder.  Mr. Holding, the uploader, has believed (falsely) since 2015 that I am 'dangerously' mentally unstable, so it is certain that he is only posting such videos in an effort to cause me to do something illegal like trying to murder him.

These videos about me by Mr. Holding would be libel-by-implication even if not libel, and perhaps the tort of "outrage" also.  I get suicidal over such things. Please remove

Replies to Holding's idiot followers

I've used Isaiah 13:6-17 to show that God threatens to cause men to rape women:

 13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, And the earth will be shaken from its place At the fury of the LORD of hosts In the day of His burning anger.
 14 And it will be that like a hunted gazelle, Or like sheep with none to gather them, They will each turn to his own people, And each one flee to his own land.
 15 Anyone who is found will be thrust through, And anyone who is captured will fall by the sword.
 16 Their little ones also will be dashed to pieces Before their eyes; Their houses will be plundered And their wives ravished.
 17 Behold, I am going to stir up the Medes against them, Who will not value silver or take pleasure in gold.
 18 And their bows will mow down the young men, They will not even have compassion on the fruit of the womb, Nor will their eye pity children. (Isa. 13:13-18 NAU)

I will be replying to Holding's criticism later.  For now, let's have a look at the fruits exhibited by the people who normally post comments to his videos:


Yeah, the long stare of a cartoon character is a legitimate reason to consider the argument valid.



Well first, we can be sure that "Victor Polk" doesn't have enough education to do the job, if his single fly-by-night post at my blog says anything about his level of mental acuity.  That's right, Polk.  Go google "acuity" and learn something new everyday, you frightened anonymous child.

Second, Holding needs to take a good long look in the mirror if he is going to condemn a person for hurling abusive epithets at a disabled person.  He believes that I myself am mentally disabled, yet he talks shit about me as if he has no other purpose in life.  He cannot say this "sweet young woman" doesn't go around asking for it, she does, and she did.  She is known as "Christianbookworm" on theologyweb, and she helped Holding and others libel me like crazy there before I first sued Holding.  Conveniently, that thread disappeared.   The very first time she found out I clobbered Holding with his own scholars, she automatically decided it was a "screwball", and automatically assumed I was quoting sources out of context before she even know what she was dealing with.

Third, I did not know this woman was disabled at the time I called her a "bitch".  If I had known she had some sort of mental disability, I probably wouldn't have even contacted her. 

Fourth, Holding is even dumber than I thought, if he thinks I'd be the least bit worried about explaining my prior conduct to a jury.  I have Borderline Personality Disorder.  Who else but Holding is surprised when people act consistently with their nature?

Fifth, Holding is a shameless liar in saying I'm only going to sue his dead corporation because I fear suing him personally.  I sued Holding personally twice.  I obviously don't "fear" SHIT that this guy has to "personally" offer.  There is nothing about Holding needing a lawyer, that would reduce his ability to confront me with my past on the witness stand, and a real lawyer would probably be able to do Holding's job better than Holding himself.  Finally, there is nothing about Holding needing to hire a lawyer that would limit the amount of time he could keep me on the witness stand.  If he thinks it legally viable to have me answer questions for three days, he can just tell his lawyer to argue such a point to the judge.  Only Mr. Holding would be stupid enough to go online and talk about how his hiring a lawyer to represent him in court would hamper his ability to confront me.  If it did, it would probably be because the lawyer thinks much of the crap Holding wants me to answer for, is more prejudicial than probative.  That is, in a court of law, you are not allowed to just confront the other party with every bit of dirt you can possibly gather on them.  The judge has to use FRE 104 and balance whatever probative effect the attack might have, with the obvious fact that too much can have an unfairly prejudicial effect.  NEWSFLASH TO HOLDING: A JUDGE DOES NOT RUN A COURT OF LAW THE WAY YOU RUN YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL. 


I almost couldn't paste that here...the obvious prioritizing of cartoons above Christ, was just soaking my demonic self in too much holy light for me to fight back against.

Since it is clear that nobody of any real substance gives two shits about Holding's ceaseless trifles about every Jerry Springer moment he can dredge up, I won't comment much more on such idiocy.

But for those followers of Holding who think the factual and legal arguments in my prior lawsuits were frivolous, put up or shut up.  Since your weak spiritual warrior Holding won't do it, maybe you'll become a Pentecostal and decide there's more to spiritual progress than posting something on the internet?