Third lawsuit against James Patrick Holding now inevitable

 See UPDATE: November 10, 2018, below:  Holding has now disabled comments to those videos where he defames me, and he has also dissolved his second corporation "Apologetics Afield".
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Here is the email I recently sent to Mr. Holding, having previously experienced his "the-evidence-you-want-is-on-my-computer-which-froze-so-I-threw-it-away" bullshit excuse in the prior lawsuits. I don't post this to boast, but only because there is a possibility that he might have set a filter to send my emails directly to the trash (given that he had one of his techies configure his website so that when accessed from my ISP, the only thing that shows up on my computer screen is unreadable raw html.

We all know that Holding is well aware of this blog, so by cross-posting that email here, I make it even more difficult for him to argue in the future that he never got a message asking him to preserve evidence.  Surely one of his stupid minions will carp about this post to him, and there you go, now he's accountable.

 That's right, homosexual Holding, start a gofundme page, and like last time, don't worry about the possibility of your supporters worrying whether the charges might actually be true (i.e., that you deserve to suffer as guilty).  We know from prior experience that they will come to your rescue even if you really are guilty as charged, amen? 


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request to preserve evidence, you will be sued
Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com>
2:58 PM (0 minutes ago)
to TektonSlam (jphold@att.net)

Mr. Holding,

This is ----------, the man who sued you twice in the past for libel.

I am going to be suing you in the near future for libelous comments you posted about me to others through the internet between 2017 and the present. ---- v. Apologetics Afield, Inc, Florida Middle District. (i.e., the named Defendant will not be you but your non-profit organization, so under binding case law, you cannot represent yourself pro se, you either hire a lawyer, or you don't participate in the litigation).

And since your libels of me were intentional and false, I'm quite certain your libel-insurance contract has a disclaimer clause that says where your libels were intentional as opposed to being merely mistaken, the insurance carrier will not pay your legal expenses. Those thousands in lawyer fees will come straight out of your own pocket (excuse me, sorry, out of the pockets of people who are not guilty of any wrongdoing beyond being stupid enough to pay unnecessary bills you create with your libelous mouth). But we already know that your salivating customers don't really give a fuck whether the libel charges are true, or whether you are actually guilty, they just come running to your rescue by knee-jerk reflex, thinking rescue is always best, and like the stupid juvenile delinquents they are, never dream for one second that actually letting you suffer the consequences of your own illegal actions is also one of the ways the bible god works.

You are requested to preserve any and all communications you've had with third parties wherein I was a subject of discussion whether in whole or in part, regardless of whether i was designated therein directly, indirectly by my real name, internet name or any pseudonym made up by them, myself, you, or anybody else.

You are also requested to preserve the original form of any file you ever sent to anybody since 2016, or file that you didn't actually send to anybody since 2016, wherein I was the subject of the discussion whether in whole or in part, including but not limited to the files you promised to send others allegedly documenting evidence you think shows that am dishonest, or evidence that others have accused me of any type of dishonest conduct, including but not limited to the "free ebook" you promised to your paying customers at timecode 2:52 in the video you posted to YouTube located at the following address:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaTC2fR2roo

here's a screenshot in case God allows Satan to mess up the address so as to give you a plausible reason to accidentally "lose" that evidence:

You are also requested to preserve any physical drives/computers/devices that you used to communicate about me with others, or which you used to facilitate communications about me with others. Normally I wouldn't make this request, but then you have a history in court of conveniently losing evidence, including entire computers, when you are afraid your illegal bullshit is going to be publicly exposed, so it only makes sense to talk in lawyer-speak to make sure your stupid conniving cocksucking ass doesn't lie his way out of the truth for a third time. FUCK YOU.

By the way, I'm no longer mystified as to why Christian Research Institute ignored my prior emails to them exposing your biblical disqualification to hold any type of teaching office whatsoever. Hank's tendency to favor such hypocritical Christian miscreants became publicly exposed years ago in the scandal involving Paul Young,

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.religion.christian/pdr5Iwdb6A4/1yH0e3VyjAMJ

https://everyman2.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/former-cri-employee-attacks-my-book/

....and many former CRI employees including CRI's former senior researcher Robert Bowman, Jr. continue to presently opine that Hank had a temper and other problems resolving conflicts and was thus disqualified biblically to be any kind of leader for a Christian organization like CRI, and that he was a nasty mean son of a bitch to anybody who disagreed with anything he had to say...exactly like you.

On the contrary, it now makes perfect sense why a nasty mean son of a bitch would get rid of good Christian people and want another nasty mean son of a bitch to write articles for him. Apparently I had given Hank more moral credit than he deserved. When you write articles for CRI, you are right at home.

Nothing could give greater justification for skeptics to construe Christian apologetics as inherently deceitful, than Hanks' having vigorously argued with other apologists for the truth of traditional protestant evangelicalism for more than 20 years...only to find out several months ago that actually, Eastern Orthodoxy is the right form of Christianity.

If you can keep missing the Christian truth despite taking 20 years to study and defend one version of it with the best apologists Christianity has to offer, as Hank thinks he did for the last 20 years and more, sounds to me like the whole business of trying to decide which ancient religion was the right one is riddled with fatal ambiguities and falsities and is thus a ridiculous exercise in futility.

Which thus means any apologetics ministry, including yours, is every bit the dogshit enterprise I've been calling it for years.

You will learn to control your libelous mouth, or your customers can look forward to their hard earned money being allocated over from helping you purchase your triple cheeseburger midnight snacks in the name of Jesus, to paying modern pharisees thousands of dollars to help you come up with ways to avoid having to answer charges on the merits, when actually just being forthrightly honest about the facts is typically cheaper. FUCK YOU.

If you like it when I make huge dents in your credibility and your "ministry", just keep telling yourself that Acts 5:29 trumps modern America's prohibitions on libel. Maybe god has a greater purpose in forcing you to take Christian money and infuse it into lawyerland, where they care about the truth of Jesus about as much as they care about overcharging wealthy clients. FUCK YOU.

Sincerely,
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 Question for Holding's paying customers:

Which biblical character is more likely to encourage and support the efforts of lawyers who try to think up ways to enable their clients to avoid having to answer accusations of immorality on the merits?

Jesus, or the devil?

Provide the biblical evidence you believe supports your answer.  

UPDATE: November 10, 2018
 Here's the email I recently sent to James Patrick Holding.  He has disabled the comments to his YouTube videos, including those defamatory videos about me where he greedily promised his viewers a free ebook allegedly documenting negative opinions about me from other people, and he has now formally dissolved his second corporation "Apologetics Afield":

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 On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 12:52 PM Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com> wrote:

     Mr. Holding,    

    This is Christian Doscher.  My third lawsuit against Apologetics Afield ('AA') is going forward, you should be getting it from a federal marshal around X-mas.    

    I've noticed today that you disabled all comments for your videos at https://www.youtube.com/user/tektontv/videos, including the videos where you libeled me or were responding to something I did or said.

    For all videos you've ever posted to YouTube between 2013 and the present,  in which you were directly or indirectly responding to anything I've ever said or done, preserve all comments that anybody ever posted to such videos.  I also sent you an email many months ago asking you to preserve any such evidence, and you've clearly known for the last year about my own blog threatening such third lawsuit, at https://turchisrong.blogspot.com/2018/03/third-lawsuit-against-james-patrick.html    

    I also commented many months ago at one of your videos with a similar request that you preserve all such evidence.    

    If you claim that you "lost" all those comments after you disabled the commentary-option, then your failure to backup those comments first, will be argued in court to be spoiliation of evidence.  You are advised to request from YouTube or Google all such comments if you conveniently "lost" them.    

    If you kept a backup copy of those comments, then good for you, as they will be needed at trial.    

    This email is simply a continuing reminder and request that you continue to preserve ANY and ALL of your verbal and written words wherein you directly or indirectly mention me, any of my online aliases, or anything I've ever done, or anything you suppose I've ever said, written or done.

    This request refers to any and all of your communications to or from any third parties, between July 2014 and July 2019, wherein I was at least one of the subjects of discussion, whether directly or indirectly.  The request to preserve evidence is not limited to just comments on YouTube videos.    

    I also noticed that you've now closed down AA:    

    "As some of you are aware, I formally closed down Tekton as a 501(c)(3) organization in 2016;  I have now also closed down Apologetics Afield the same way."    

    Perhaps this is a misinterpretation on my part, but your disabling comments to your YouTube videos, as well as your having voluntarily dissolved your two corporations, tells me that you are genuinely frightened of being sued again...so I'd like to offer you a chance to avoid this third lawsuit.

    The condition of settlement would be $5,000 to me (a tiny fraction of what I'll be suing you for), along with your posting an article to tektonics.org, theologyweb.com, deeperwatersapologetics.com, and equip.org, specifying that

    a) fear that your "internet predator alert" on me was genuinely libelous was at least one of the motives you had in removing it from your website.

    b) while not all of your false accusations against me were intentional, some of them were.

    c) you apologize for having libeled me, and you agree that some of your negative speech about me in the past constituted the "slander" that is the sin prohibited in Ps. 15:3,     31:13, 50:20, Prov. 10:18, 30:10, Isa. 32:7, Mk. 7:22, Eph. 4:31, Col. 3:8 and 1 Pet. 2:1, 12.

    d) you agree not to libel, defame or slander me ever again in the future.  You further agree to never libel, slander or defame anybody else every again as well.

    e) you agree with me that Christians who engage in the level of slander that you have committed in the past, clearly fail the qualification-criteria for teachers found in 1st Timothy 3 and 2nd Timothy 2:24-26.

    f) you agree with me that honest Christians who are sued in modern America, would not attempt to avoid answering the charges on the merits, but would answer fully and honestly any and all questions relevant to the charges against them.

    g) you got excitement and thrill out of slandering me on the internet, and you now recognize that this was due to your predisposition to act like a juvenile delinquent when facing criticism. 

    ....and other conditions I'll be adding.

    The settlement would not be legally valid until I formally approve of the wording of the above-described article.  If you think $5,000 makes more sense than paying $175,000, I'll be sending you the draft.

    And that article would be required to be permanent.  You agree to maintain tektonics.org as an active website, and to host said article there consistently,  for at least the next 15 years, and further agree to consistently maintain the above-described settlement draft.

    If you don't wish to settle, then start looking for an attorney.  Once again, I'm not suing you personally, I'm suing "Apologetics Afield".

    And once again, because your most recent libels of me (at least the ones I was able to find) were CLEARLY false, CLEARLY intentionally libelous and CLEARLY charging me with infamous crimes (i.e., libel per se), I have good reason to suppose that whatever libel-insurance carrier you have, if any, will be invoking the clause in their contract with you saying that they are not obligated to cover your legal fees if they decide that the libels you are charged with, were intentionally false or were committed with reckless indifference to the truth.  And as you know, your home-state, Florida, allows significant punitive damages even upon a jury finding of actual damages being minimal:

    "The singular protection afforded by Florida law to personal reputation in actions for defamations per se is

    further seen by the fact that punitive damages may be the primary relief in a cause of action for defamation per se."

    Lawnwood Med. Ctr., Inc. v. Sadow, 43 So. 3d 710, 727 (Fla. 4th DCA 2010)

     The better part of wisdom probably tells your insurance company that juries don't like asshole Christian apologists who get a juvenile-delinquent type of thrill out of libeling mentally disabled people.  I'm not mentally disabled, of course,  but the point is, YOU THOUGHT I WAS AT THE TIME YOU COMMITTED THE LIBELS.

    I have been able to obtain funding to actually fly to Florida to conduct a videotaped deposition of you with court reporter present, all at my expense.  I have my own reasons for not wishing to pursue this litigation.

    I also suggest that you have some heart to heart talks with Habermas and Licona; they have more credibility in Christian apologetics than you, they are legitimately credentialed Christian scholars who ceaselessly push the apologetics bit, yet they strongly disagree with your theory that talking shit to your critics is good, moral and biblical.

    So, are you ever going to admit you've ever done anything immoral or unbiblical regarding me since 2007?  Or does your genetic code prevent you from expressing remorse?

    Happy Holidays.

    Sincerely,

    Christian Doscher

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 For those of you who are wondering, yes, rebuking Holding for his prior sins IS my idea of making a settlement offer sound more attractive.  I won't exactly be pissing myself with disappointment if Holding feels offended and declines the offer.  I can't really say at this point what I desire more, vindication by settlement or vindication in court.

 For the download link to the lawsuit I previously filed against Holding in a Florida federal court, see here.

 Since Holding likely banned my email address, I made a further effort to notify him of this request to preserve evidence, by posting to https://www.youtube.com/user/tektontv/discussion as follows:
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Mr. Holding,

This is Christian Doscher, I sent you an email requesting that you preserve evidence for the third lawsuit, the complaint for which you'll receive around Christmas.

If you didn't get that email, I posted it at my blog:
https://turchisrong.blogspot.com/2018/03/third-lawsuit-against-james-patrick.html

The email in question is at the last part of that article.

I would like to think that your disabling comments on your YouTube videos and your administrative dissolution of Apologetics Afield Corporation implies that you are starting to feel genuine remorse for your mostly libelous behavior toward me in the past.

Please confirm whether my impression is true or false. If false, get ready for legal war. And yes, I'll be flying to Florida to take a full videotaped deposition of you with court reporter present, at my expense, should you decline my settlement offer.

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