Friday, September 21, 2018

Frank Turek's attempted excuse/justification for doubt is unbiblical

This is my reply to an email I received from Frank Turek's mailing list:


On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 8:04 AM Frank Turek <Frank@crossexamined.org> wrote:

    I want you to know that even though I have delivered hundreds of talks that give evidence beyond the reasonable doubt that Christianity is true, sometimes I still doubt.

    Yes, you read that correctly.

    Doubts drive me to get answers.
Rape can also drive a woman to be more careful about walking home alone in the dark.  That doesn't mean rape is morally good.  So it doesn't matter if you can turn doubt into an opportunity for good, doubt would still be wrong and sinful for biblical reasons. 

Your bible condemns any 'Christian' who doubts:
 6 But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind.
 7 For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord,
 8 being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. (Jas. 1:6-8 NAU)
The bible characterizes Christian faith as full assurance: 
  19 Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah's womb;
 20 yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God,
 21 and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform. (Rom. 4:19-21 NAU)
  19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus,
 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh,
 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God,
 22 let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; (Heb. 10:19-23 NAU)
Maybe its my lack of training in the Greek that caused me to miss the fact that "full" means "99%"?

 Turek continues:
But what if doubts debilitate you rather than drive you?
 Then you should think the biblical description that says you are like a wave of the sea, tossed to and fro, unstable in all your ways, is the more accurate way to characterize the situation (James 1:6-8, supra). Unless of course you deny biblical inerrancy.
My friend Dr. Bobby Conway—whom you may know at the “One Minute Apologist”
Yes.  And he couldn't have chosen a more appropriate title.
—has been there. He’s dealt with doubt from every angle: in his own life and the lives of his congregation (Bobby is also a pastor).

    As he helps those he shepherds, Bobby can help you. That’s why I highly recommend his new online course called DoubtingToward Faith.
If you seriously believed the bible alone is "sufficient" for faith, and if you seriously believed that the Holy Spirit really does positively respond to the prayers of Christians to be delivered from their doubting natures, then you wouldn't be recommending anything to cure Christian doubt, except the bible, and specifically James 1:6-8.   

But maybe I'm mistaken.  Perhaps Turek is an open-theist.   Because God makes mistakes and cannot handle everything at one time, he employs the services of one-minute apologists to take up some of the load?  You are all selling Jesus for profit, friend, there's no nice way to put it.  Capitalism works like this:  Assure somebody they have a problem, then conveniently notify them that you have the solution, on sale.  Act now while supplies last.  And presto, you can earn a living selling Jesus, and teaching people who focus on you that they shouldn't focus on you, but on Jesus.
    This course is an answer to prayer. Just watch this chilling four-minute intro video from Bobby.
 I recommend the reader disregard the video and just read their bible.  This will reduce your ability to cash in on the Christianity problem, and it just sounds more godly to boot.  So it should be clear that my ideas about what's spiritually better for Christians come straight from demonic influence.

Cold Case Christanity: Wallace prepares the babies for war?

This is my reply to an article by J. Warner Wallace entitled:



A few years ago, I had the opportunity to train 80 high school students at Crossline Church here in southern California.  These students were capable and willing to engage the tough issues at a high level, and their churches and Christian high schools have embraced the mission.
That would be unwise from a conservative Christian viewpoint.  Today's Christians are already absurdly materialistic far beyond what the NT allows, and it can only be worse with teenagers.  Yet you seem to think it smart to prepare what can only be spiritual babies for spiritual warefare?  Notice what Paul to a bunch of adults who believed his gospel: 
 1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.
 2 I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able, (1 Cor. 3:1-2 NAU)
 Did you perform any tests to make sure these high-school kids were spiritually ready to start doing real-time battle with demons?  Or did you simply jump for joy when a request for a speaking engagements popped up in your inbox?  I'd say protecting children is more important than earning a fee.
Students have a growing number of opportunities to continue their education in Christian Case Making (Apologetics) at the University level, should they choose to do so. The number of degree programs in apologetics, Christian philosophy or Christian thought is growing every year.
Then you should make a donation to all non-Christians who disagree with your religion.  If it weren't for them, apologetics wouldn't be necessary.   And so apologetics follows the standard business model adopted by all capitalists.  Create a problem, offer to sell the solution at a reasonable price.
Students who begin training with us in high school can continue this training at the university level. While this is certainly encouraging, one thing is certain: The academy will never replace the Church.
That doesn't make sense, the church is not a building, it is the people.  You are in church every time you are around other Christians, even if not on Sunday morning.
We are definitely experiencing a renaissance in Christian apologetics, as evidenced by the number of programs emerging around the country. But I can’t help but wonder if Christian universities have simply recognized an important failing of the Church. These apologetics and philosophy programs aren’t, by and large, professional degree programs, after all. Few, if any, of the graduates from these programs become professional apologists (I’ve met many graduates from these universities who are working as tent-makers in other professions). The degrees they earn in apologetics will help them to think critically and develop a grounded Biblical worldview, but they probably won’t help them pay the bills.
Good point.  Then again, Jesus encouraged his followers to give up their earthly homes, kids and possessions just to make more time to follow him around:
  20 The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?"
 21 Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
 22 But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property. (Matt. 19:20-22 NAU)

  28 And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
 29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.
 30 "But many who are first will be last; and the last, first. (Matt. 19:28-30 NAU)
It usually escapes the notice of most Christians that on the basis of v. 29, which says salvation involves the condition of giving up one's family and earthly possessions, Jesus was also talking about salvation when he told the rich young ruler that selling all of his things would produce "treasure in heaven". 

It's not sufficiently definitive to be proven absolutely, but Jesus is still a scumbag for encouraging his followers to believe that abandoning their kids to other people just to follow him around more often was morally good.

In this sense, apologetics programs are often more about personal growth than professional preparation.
And it's terrible that some Christians make a profit selling personal growth solutions.
Men and women often seek programs of this nature because there simply isn’t any other place where the case for Christianity is robustly studied, discussed, and evaluated.
You can say that again.  We are winning the war against you. The history of America shows a slow but steady declining of zeal for Jesus.  Amen to that.
They are keenly interested in knowing more, digging deeper, and becoming more articulate so they can share what they believe with others. Gee, doesn’t this sound like something the Church should be offering?
Yes.  But Calvinist Christians will tell you the modern church is slacking so much, because God wanted it to (i.e., his secret will).
I can’t help but wonder if the explosion of apologetics programs at the university level is inversely proportional to the disinterest the Church seems to have in apologetics. As the Church continues to relinquish its responsibility to train Christians, universities are stepping in the gap. The less people receive in the Church, the more they are seeking at the Academy.
I don't see the problem, the Academy is just as full of Christians as the church, so why does it matter what building the kids are sitting in when they receive apologetics instruction?
But here’s my concern. The church ought to be the place where we equip “the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ” (Ephesians 4:12-13).
 The spiritually mature Christian would be more likely to quote Jesus to ground doctrine, instead of taking chances quoting an obviously lesser authority whom even many Christians, today and in the original church, considered to be heretic.
The university ought to be a place where we can also prepare vocationally. Sadly, many of us graduate from apologetics programs, equipped with the knowledge and wisdom we should be getting in our churches. It’s not too late to reverse the trend. It’s time for the Church to take back its responsibility to equip the saints. It’s time for pastors to recognize their responsibilities as trainers and case makers.
Translation:  it's time for American Christians to purchase books authored by J. Warner Wallace.  You should repent of your sin of capitalism:   "If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content." (1 Tim. 6:8 NAU)

You obviously aren't content to have food and covering.  Neither are 99% of the fools who call themselves Christians.
While the academy may certainly continue to offer these important and valuable programs to those who want to reach higher levels of understanding, every church member ought to receive his or her “BA in Christian Case Making (Apologetics)” while training in the pews.
Not true, your own bible prohibits the idea that everybody has the same spiritual responsibilities:
 7 Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that. (1 Cor. 7:7 NAU)

  27 Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it.
 28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.
 29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?
 30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?
   (1 Cor. 12:27-30 NAU)
The Academy shouldn’t replace the Church in this mission. It’s time for the Church to embrace its responsibility to train the family of God so we can all become good Christian Case Makers.
Translation:  it's time for American Christians to purchase books authored by J. Warner Wallace.

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