James Patrick Holding's threats are laughable

Last week Holding posted this comment to one of his videos:

DecKrash1 week ago

If it's possible, you ought to use Weird Al's song, "I'll Sue Ya" as background music for the next video about this scumbag. :-P

tektontv1 week ago

I actually did refer to that song as exemplary of his work in a TheologyWeb thread in 2015. It offended him so deeply that he referred to it in his home state complaint. Just so everyone knows, I will be putting out at least one video/blog entry on Doscher every two weeks until he stops harassing me with lawsuits. In addition, if I find out or hear that he has written to anyone about me disparagingly, they will be sent links to any relevant documents such as the expert witness testimony on his bus "accident". I'm not playing any more.

First, I think Holding is a being irrational here:  He says he'll be posting one video/blog entry about me per week until I stop harassing him with lawsuits?  That doesn't even make sense: he knows this third libel lawsuit is going to remain in active litigation for at least the next year.  it isn't like I file lawsuits against him on a weekly or even yearly basis.

Second, he's also irrational because now that he has my 97-page Complaint, he knows exactly why I characterize as libelous his reports of my prior judicial proceedings.  If Mr. Holding continues to misrepresent those proceedings in future posts, I will be amending the Complaint to add new charges.  If his future reports on those judicial proceedings are not libelous, I'll be arguing that because Holding knew after February 21, 2019, how to report on those proceedings in a non-libelous way, he likely also knew how to do this in non-libelous fashion before that date, therefore, the libels as currently alleged in the Complaint were not the result of his mistaken understanding of libel law, but his willful flouting of it.

And given Holding's proud boasts in 2015 about what a legal scholar he is with his 7 years of running a law library, and the fact that he was sued twice in the past for libel, he likely won't be telling the jury in 2019 or 2020 that his misrepresentations in 2017-2019 of my prior court cases were because he was honestly ignorant of what the law required of him.  No sir, Mr. Know-It-All cannot plead ignorance...unless he wants the jury to think him dishonest.  That's the price you pay when you are a know-it-all...when you fuck up, you cannot plead ignorance, and at that point you look as culpable as it is possible to look.

Third, I must assume that Holding finally figured out that the cheapest lawyers (i.e., the Christian lawyers Holding went to first, who thus are the most likely to feel sorry for him and offer him a discount on legal fees in the name a' Jesus) felt that he was wrong, told him he was wrong, and as a result, he won't be misrepresenting my prior court cases anymore because he doesn't desire to lose more Christian friends.
(Holding has also already admitted in one of his YouTube posts that his own lawyer during the 2015 lawsuit told him he could gain an advantage by removing a libelous article about me...clearly this lawyer did not agree with Holding's morality or his interpretation of the law...leaving the readers to wonder:  Did Holding then call his own lawyer and 'dumbass' and 'moron', the way Holding calls names at anybody else who disagree with his infallible opinions?  If not, why not?  Is his name-calling arbitrary?  Does he play favorites the exact same way that any atheist would?).

Fourth, for those who wish to know how "scared" I am of Holding's threat to post more about me every time he finds out I talked about him with some new third-party, here is my response:

I recently did a google search for Holding, found out he gave a speech in 2007 at the Shepherd's Fellowship Baptist Church, so I emailed the senior pastor there and warned him about Holding, and we had a discussion, which included me providing said pastor with a copy of the 2019 Complaint.  When the pastor said he knew Holding's apologetics were harsh but didn't know he did anything wrong, I then sent the pastor a copy of the 2016 Florida Complaint...you know...the one which extensively documents Holding's repeatedly employing pornographically filthy slurs that show him to have the emotional maturity level of a demented 12-year old juvenile delinquent.

You know..the sins of abusive speech and slander that Holding has never, and will never, repent of?

Here is the email exchange so far:

a 3rd libel lawsuit against James Patrick Holding

Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com>

Feb 17, 2019, 3:33 PM (4 days ago)

to clifflea, pastor

Hello,

I understand that James Patrick Holding is or was a member of your church, according to

http://www.sfofgso.org/apologetic.asp.

Don't know if you are aware, but Mr. Holding's sins of reviling and slander are utterly out of control.

I had to file a civil lawsuit against him for libel.  You can keep up with the case here

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/26884971/Doscher_v_Apologetics_Afield,_Inc

The 97-page complaint is attached for your convenience.

I would ask that you start the Matthew 18 process, given that Mr. Holding's sins of slander have been on-going without ceasing for the last 20 years, he isn't known for much more.

 15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.

 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.

 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.    (Matt. 18:15-17 NAU)

 Attachments area

Cliff Lea           

Feb 19, 2019, 12:09 PM (2 days ago)

to me

Barry,

                I’m sorry for what you are going through in this case.  I know JP, but he has not been associated with our church in several years.  He attends a church in the Orlando area now…so I don’t sense the need for church discipline from us.

Sincerely in Christ, Pastor Cliff

Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com>  

Feb 19, 2019, 1:15 PM (2 days ago)  

to Cliff

Thank you for your response.

Well, do you have any ideas about what I might do?  Has Mr. Holding done anything that would warrant Christians in praying that God move him to repentance?

Cliff Lea        

Feb 19, 2019, 1:23 PM (2 days ago)  

to me

I don’t really have much to offer.  I have heard that he can be harsh in his apologetics, but I’ve never observed anything personally that caused me concern…

Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com>  

AttachmentsFeb 19, 2019, 1:40 PM (2 days ago)     

to Cliff

Ok, then FYI, attached is the 2nd libel lawsuit Complaint I had filed against Holding in 2016.

Go to page 23, paragraph 106 and following, I had to document Mr. Holding's immoral language.

Holding is not merely "harsh" in his apologetics, but so pornographically filthy that even other Christian apologists such as Steve Hays and Dr. James White have objected to it.

Any conservative evangelical would likely find Holding's slanderous abusive speech to be in violation of Ephesians 5:4 and Colossians 3:8----

 3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;

 4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.

 5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. (Eph. 5:3-6 NAU)

 6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,

 7 and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them.

 8 But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.

 9 Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices,

 10 and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him--   (Col. 3:6-10 NAU)

Once you read the attached 2016 Complaint, you'll likely find that Holding for the last

20 years has been that "brother" who constantly slanders or "reviles" others, the "brother"

whom Paul said must be expelled:

 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one.

 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?

 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. (1 Cor. 5:11-13 NAU)

I am constantly flummoxed at how Holding can have such a filthy reputation and yet so many upstanding evangelical conservative Christians apparently either don't know or don't care about his many sins of slander.

    

Feb 20, 2019, 7:55 AM (1 day ago)

to me

HI Barry,

Thanks for reaching out. I haven't had a chance to look at your complaint yet, but I just wanted to let you know that the link you sent is just to a conference that took place back in 2007 in which he was one of our speakers. He was not then, nor has he ever been a member of our church. As far as I am aware, we have had no contact with him nor have we promoted him or his ministry in probably ten years. Sorry to hear about your situation though, I pray it is resolved.

Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com>  

Feb 20, 2019, 11:16 AM (1 day ago)

to Jeff

Might I get your scripturally based opinion then?

Do you believe the morality requirements in Ephesians 5:4 and Colossians 3:8 are absolute upon all genuinely born again Christians in all times, places and circumstances?

Or would you side with Mr. Holding and argue that such passages are limited in scope, and that using pornographically filthy language to slander and revile critics of Christianity is allowed for in the bible?  And thanks for praying about the situation.

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Let's be generous:  I responded to this pastor FOUR times.  Therefore Holding can feel free to create 4 new posts/videos about me...as long as they show that he has, since I filed this latest lawsuit, learned how to stop violating comment F to the Restatement (Second) of Torts § 611.  (Once again, if his future posts report on those prior court cases in a fair, accurate and impartial manner, I will be arguing that Mr. Know-It-All knew how to do this between 2017-2019, the time when he composed the libelous posts now at issue in the current Complaint.  If his future posts about my prior court cases continue his pattern of misrepresentation, I'll be amending the Complaint to add new charges.  He will either comply with my wishes, or suffer legal penalties).

For obvious reasons, I fear Holding's threat to continue posting about me, about as much as I fear a newborn gazelle might possibly brutalize a pack of hungry lions.

Once again, James Patrick Holding is a remorseless obstinate pretentious cocksucker, who clearly thinks preserving his pride is always more important than honestly admitting his sins of slander and reviling.  But like a rabid pit bull, not even recent experience with getting kicked in the head ($21,000 in legal fees to get rid of my 2015 lawsuit) has any effect on him.  He bites the live electrical cords, sparks fly, he eyeballs melt, but animal instinct compels him to just keep chomping down regardless.


Like a reptile, he can do no other except repeat the past behavior that resulted in him sustaining serious injury.   I'd have more luck teaching an alligator to stop being a carnivore, than in convincing Holding to quit playing with fire.

I also strongly suspect that the Christian lawyers he's already contacted, conveniently became "too busy" to represent him after they read the 2019 Complaint.  While Holding has a lot of contacts within the Christian world, I'm betting $50 the exact lawyer that he ends up hiring in this case won't themselves be a Christian. Defending this bitch would require the services of a person who cares more about generating billable hours and less about whether his client is actually guilty as charged.  You won't find too many "Christian" lawyers like that.

What a scumbag, not even Christian lawyers will take his case!