My email about James Patrick Holding to Orlando Baptist

(See end for updates:  Holding threatened to post more about me if I talked disparagingly about him to third-parties, so I plan on talking disparagingly about him to as many third-parties as I have time to notify. Of course, ALL factual allegations I communicate to third parties concerning Holding are true).


Hello, 

I'm sure that you yourself as a Christian do not go around insulting everybody who disagree with you.  It's just sort of obvious that such conduct is unbecoming anybody naming the name of Christ.

But there is a Christian "apologist" living near you who does this, and you might find that his pathological need to constantly hurl filthy slurs at his critics might be a case of a sinful brother that could use your prayers.

His name is James Patrick Holding (formerly Robert Turkel). 
His address is  2609 GREYWALL AVE. OCOEE, FL 34761

His email is jphold@att.net

Jesus required you to view unrepentant sinful brothers the way 1st century Jews viewed Gentiles and tax-collectors:

 15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
 (Matt. 18:15-17 NAU)

The bible makes perfectly clear that Christians are to put away abusive speech and filthy language:

Ephesians 5

 3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;
 4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
 5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. (Eph. 5:3-6 NAU)

Colossians 3

 6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,
 7 and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them.
 8 But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.
 9 Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices,
 10 and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him-- (Col. 3:6-10 NAU)

The bible also makes it clear that if you know any "Christian" who commits the sin of "reviling", you are to disassociate yourself from him:

 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one.
 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. (1 Cor. 5:11-13 NAU)

D.A. Carson notes that the modern church's shocking apathy toward this command of Paul:

The ease with which the present day church often passes judgment on the ethical or structural misconduct of the outside community is at times matched only by its reluctance to take action to remedy the ethical conduct of its own members. We have reversed Paul’s order of things.

Carson, D. A. (1994). New Bible commentary : 21st century edition. Rev. ed. of: The new Bible commentary. 3rd ed.
edited by D. Guthrie, J.A. Motyer. 1970. (4th ed.) (1 Co 5:9). Leicester, England; Downers Grove, Ill., USA: Inter-Varsity Press.

The NAU uses the world "reviler".  This word means "to subject to verbal abuse, vituperate, to use abusive language, rail..."
Merriam-Webster, I. (2003). Merriam-Webster's collegiate dictionary. Includes index. (Eleventh ed.)

"Revile" in the Greek is λοίδορος / loidoros, and the standard lexical authorities say it refers to a person who constantly hurls abusive insulting speech at others:

Kittel-Bromiley
 1. loiÃdoros occurs in lists of vices in 1 Cor. 5:11 and 6:10. In Acts 23:4 Paul is asked why he reviles the high priest, and in his reply he recognizes a religious duty not to do so. In Mart. Pol. 9.3 the aged Polycarp cannot revile Christ; to do so would be blasphemy.
 2. Christians should try to avoid calumny (1 Tim. 5:14), but when exposed to it (cf. Mt. 5:11) they should follow Christ's example (1 Pet. 2:23; cf. Mt. 26:63; Jn. 18:23), repaying railing with blessing (1 Pet. 3:9). This is the apostolic way of 1 Cor. 4:12: “When reviled, we bless” (cf. Diog. 5.15). By this answer to calumny the reality of the new creation is manifested. [H. HANSE, IV, 293-94]

"The cognate noun λοιδορία, according to BAGD, 479, means “verbal abuse,” or “reproach.” 

D. B. Garlington, "Burden Bearing And The Recovery Of  Offending Christians (Galatians 6:1–5)"
Trinity Journal 12:2 (Fall 1991) 162

Every time this Greek word is used in the NT, it always carries the negative connotation of verbal abuse:

NAU Ps. 74:18  Remember this, O LORD, that the enemy has reviled, And a foolish people has spurned Your name.
NAU Jn. 9:28 They reviled him and said, "You are His disciple, but we are disciples of Moses.
NAU 1 Cor. 4:12  and we toil, working with our own hands; when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure;
NAU 1 Pet. 2:23  and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously;

The NET bible has "verbally abusive" at 1st Cor. 5:11, the NIV has "slanderer"

Mr. Holding generally identifies as Southern Baptist, but they are also strongly against the sin of slander. 
See http://www.sbclife.net/article/1549/acceptable-sins

Holding sometimes writes for the Christian Research Journal.  But CRI is also strongly against the sin of slander. 

See https://www.equip.org/article/reclaiming-civility-as-a-christian-virtue/

I think it appropriate to notify you and warn you of this Mr. Holding, since despite my having sued him for libel 3 times now, he has never once expressed the least bit of remorse for his sins of slander and reviling.  In fact, he appears to have been emboldened by each lawsuit to just go out and revile and slander me even more, hence the repeated lawsuits.  For these reasons, this is one of those exceptional situations calling for employment of Jesus' advice that we should tell the entire church about an alleged brother's consistent sinning and lack of remorse (Matthew 18:17).  

The problem is that Mr. Holding obviously wants the Christian world to believe he is properly qualified under biblical criteria to be a Christian "teacher".

Obviously he's delusional on that point, James 3:1 says:

Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren,
knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.

What fool would say a Christian "apologist" who spews filthy language, can still somehow also be spiritually mature enough to qualify as a "teacher"?  

Let's put that another way:  How long can a Christian "apologist" live in direct defiance of Ephesians 5:4, and Colossians 3:8, before we are justified to say his claim to being genuinely born-again is suspect?    

If God really does view all sins as equally wicked (James 2:10-11), then it would not be consistent with the NT to trifle that Holding's slanders are less sinful than the sexual sins of a Christian who constantly commits adultery.  Now if you wouldn't allow a ceaselessly remorseless adulterer to teach Christians, why would you ever allow a ceaseless slanderer to teach Christians?

Holding's slanders became so incessant that two properly qualified Christian scholars, who formerly endorsed Holding's ministry, no longer do so.  I'm talking about Dr. Mike Licona and Dr. Gary Habermas.  Both men always advise Christians to avoid insulting people during apologetics discussions.

See here:   https://turchisrong.blogspot.com/2018/04/mike-licona-likely-thinks-james-patrick.html

Attached to this email are two pdf documents.

The first attachment is my 2016 libel lawsuit against Holding.  It is the most comprehensive documentation of Mr. Holding's sinful slanders, which makes it useful to those Christians who are, somehow, unaware of Mr. Holding's obsession with this sin. Starting at page 23 and paragraph 106 ff, you will find many quotes from Holding, showing that even other Christian apologists have complained about his homosexual tendencies, and that he uses filthy insulting slurs against anybody he disagrees with.

The second attachment is my current lawsuit against Holding.  Holding appears to have gone from "slander with pornographic filth" over to "slander by misrepresenting somebody's legal cases".

Other Christians constantly tell me that they are aware that Holding can be "harsh" in his apologetics, but I hope the above information will dispel that rumor.  "Harsh" isn't necessarily "sinful", so to call his words "harsh" is inaccurate, as it operates as an attempted but false moral defense of his language.  But as you can see, the person who takes the time to collect a comprehensive catalog of Holding's speech can show that it is more accurate to label it as "sin".

Or in this case, constantly repeated sin that Holding not only never repents of, but thinks is actually holy, just and good (!?).

I have extensively documented Mr. Holding's homosexuality and slanders at my blog:
https://turchisrong.blogspot.com/2018/01/james-patrick-holdings-quietly-deleted.html

I sincerely hope you will do what Jesus and Paul obviously required you to do.  If Holding has been doing Christian apologetics teaching for 20 years, and yet still manifests the fruit of a demented 12-year old juvenile delinquent, you'd be reasonable to conclude that genuinely born-again Christians, while having occasional problems with sin, more than likely wouldn't have THIS much of a problem with sin.  The "Christian" whose sins are at this level of obstinate pathology are more than likely fake Christians.  The reason they manifest no fruit of the spirit is precisely because they were never born again in the first place.  

You might consider the stupidity of allowing a fake Christian to teach real Christians about the bible.  Feel free to cc this warning to whomever you will.  I had to make the hard choice that warning other Christians away from Holding is more important than is my preference for privacy.

Sincerely,

Christian Doscher

 Update: February 25, 2019
I just forwarded this email to info@karlaelgin.com, this is Karla Elgin, counselor at
http://southorlandobaptist.org/who-we-are-2/church-staff/