A google search indicated there are several Mark Hunsakers in the world, but only two who have any connection to Christianity. One is a pastor of a Lutheran church in Branson Missouri. The other has been posting under the Mark Hunsaker name for more than a decade, usually in forums discussing issues of Christianity.
Since the Husaker from YouTube thought it better to play games, like the frightened barking child caught in the act that he is, rather than outrightly admit his true identity, I obtained the corporation documents for the Praise and Worship Lutheran Church where a "Mark Hunsaker" pastor works, googled the names therein and obtained the email addresses of most of the officers and board members, and emailed them, as well as their legal counsel, with the following, in the attempt to perform my due diligence as a libel Plaintiff, as required by law, i.e., to uncover, to the best of my ability, the true identity of a person libeling me on the internet, before I file a John Doe subpoena and force Google or YouTube to reveal all ISP addresses and other information associated with that account, that leads to or is likely to lead to successfully unmasking the true identity of the specific Mark Hunsaker who posted those YouTube comments.
Lucky for me he cannot post on YouTube unless he first created an account that required some type of identifying information such as phone number. Whoever that Hunsaker is who libeled me, church pastor or no, he IS going to be found out, so if he has a lot to lose, he can mitigate the storm headed his way by admitting guilt now, which will show he is capable of reform. If he can only be unmasked the hard way, then the publicity about his initial attempt to hide and to threaten me with violence for forever mar his credibility.
One of two possible inferences can be rationally drawn from the fact that the YouTube Hunsaker threatened me with physical violence if i made good on my threat to find out his true identity:
a - he is a man with a lot to lose, and not just some idiot without a life talking shit on the internet. that's consistent with a church pastor, even if not infallible proof.
b - he doesn't have much to lose, but doesn't like to be held accountable for postings on the internet he was hoping would never be successfully linked back to him in real life. In that case, whoever that man really is, he can only ensure his credibility with others will progressively diminish if he refuses to cooperate and must be forced out of hiding. And that's even worse if he is in fact some type of "Christian" since he would then have to go the rest of his life trying to convince other Christians that sometimes God wants Christians to dishonestly hide their guilt. Maybe the lawsuit will turn him into a 5-Point Calvinist, who says God causes Christians to sin.
here's the email:
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com> wrote:
---- If you are reading this and you have any information indicating, or likely to lead to, the real-life identity of the "Mark Hunsaker" who made the above-quoted comments on YouTube, please contact me by reply to one of my posts here, or by email to barryjoneswhat@gmail.com. If you want to help but fear involvement, you can set up a free email account at yandex or at any of the "disposable temporary email" services, without having to provide any telephone number or other privacy invading information, and contact me that way.
I'm actually hoping this Mark Hunsaker isn't the pastor of the same name in Missouri. Missouri's laws on libel are too conservative for reality.
Update: April 12, 2018
here is the email I recently sent to the specific Mark Hunsaker who pastors the church in Branson, Missouri:
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25 "Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.
26 "Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent. (Matt. 5:25-26 NAU)
40 "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
41 "Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. (Matt. 5:40-41 NAU)
To the officers and members of the board concerning the Praise and Worship Lutheran church of Branson, MO., as well as their legal counsel and others, if applicable:
Ron Musolino
Bernie Smith
Rev. Dr. Lee Hagan
Harley Schmitgen:
Shari Smith, Gloria Dei Lutheran Church
Vice President: Stephen Lindwedel
Treasurer: Kirk Manion
Linda Reinbold --->cgrady5383@gmail.com
Ron Jett
Julie Leeth
Ron MusolinoMy true name is (deleted). I live at (deleted).I would hardly positively identify myself if this notice of intent to file suit was frivolous. I am deadly serious. I have good probable cause to believe the Mark Hunsaker who recently libeled me on YouTube, is the same man as the Mark Hunsaker who pastors your Praise and Worship Lutheran church at 3158 State Hwy 265, Branson MO 65737.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------end of quoted email------------------------------------This, of course is not infallible proof that the person who libeled me on YouTube is the same as the man who pastors your Branson, MO. church. But regardless, because somebody libeled me, I can, and will, file a lawsuit against that man and subsequently file a "John Doe" subpoena, forcing YouTube and/or Google to reveal all the ISP and other identifying information they have based on the places from which he typically signs in, and whatever he might say about himself and his contact information in his profiles.Because I believe the Mark Hunsaker who libeled me on YouTube within the last few days is the same as your pastor of the same name in Branson, MO, who did so while acting within the course and scope of his position as employee of your corporation, if this comes to court, I'll be suing the corporation he works for, not himself personally, and where corporations are sued, nobody can represent it pro se, they are required to hire a an actual certified lawyer in good standing with the bar. I wish to spare you from the need to hire a lawyer, so please read the following, carefully:Please retain and prevent the destruction of any files or internet accounts or internet communications initiated by or received by your pastor Mark Hunsaker who works out of your church in Branson, MO. I have good probable cause to believe that
a) he is the Mark Hunsaker who libeled me in the last few days on YouTube, and
b) based on his threat to physically harm me should I pursue legal means of positively identifying him, he has every motive to delete evidence having a tendency to point to him as the guilty Defendant in this planned lawsuit. If we end up in court and your pastor admits he "lost" any such evidence, that's called "spoliation of evidence" and he could end up enduring much legal trouble for it.After I posted comments on YouTube to the effect that I was planning a lawsuit against disgraced homosexual Christian apologist James Patrick Holding (himself irreparably guilty of ceaseless libel and slander), somebody using the name or pseudonym "Mark Hunsaker" replied there several times, with comments that constituted libel (i.e., the written form of defamation), saying things such as my prior lawsuits were frivolous and constituted an abuse of the court system, and that I was in fact only seeking a bloated chunk of money for damages that were neither factually nor legally justified. Those comments can be found at
Why all the fuss? Glad you asked:
....but in case they conveniently get deleted, here's a copy and paste of what this "Mark Hunsaker" has said so far:saved April 12, 201811:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Timebegin quote-----------------you may have heard about the lawsuit an atheist bible critic filed against a Christian apologist, for libel and defamation. That atheist was me, I'll be suing James Patrick Holding for a third time, see my request to him to preserve evidence at https://turchisrong.blogspot.com/2018/03/third-lawsuit- against-james-patrick.html Third time IS not a charm Barry. If your previous 2 lawsuits failed, it probably is a good indicator that they were without merit. The more times you files suit is not a credit to your cause.Mark, you apparently don't know jack shit about those two cases, nor the law relevant to their dismissal. There is no legal doctrine in modern jurisprudence that says the jurisdictional dismissal of prior lawsuits argues that the later lawsuits of similar content are probably lacking in merit. But religion makes people so scared of critical thinking that it makes then say stupid shit like you just did. If you gave one rat's ass about the actual truth, you'd be interested in whether my claims were actually meritorious, not what somebody else thought of the case. What, do you think judges are infallible and free from corruption? All they are is lawyers who got elected to the judgeship. They don't become honorable by obtaining that seat anymore than you become honorable by being promoted to assistant crew leader.Barry, there is a legal term used for this sort of improper use of our legal system. It is called frivolous. Secondly, there IS a legal doctrine for what I am referring to. It is called a legal precedent. I could go on and on, and will, if you require, but please consult with, at least, a junior partner at a law firm before continuing to clog up our court system over your subjective hurt feelings. In addition, since our courts cannot restore your "reputation", I am sure it is NOT your "reputation" you seek to restore, but, in fact, some inordinate and bloated financial award which you don't deserve, to get over yourself. You don't get money, just because somebody offended you, or disagrees with you. If your previous 2 suits failed, the third likely will not succeed.And you think you are spiritually mature enough to be "pastor" in Branson, Missouri? Yeah Right!What....are you talking about? First of all, I have said nothing about religion, nor my beliefs. For you all you know, I could be an atheist. Looks like you are drawing some pretty quick conclusions there Barry. Secondly, where did you get the idea, that I am from Missouri, or wanted to be a pastor? Or were you talking to someone else?You are hereby requested to preserve any and all internet-based communications you have posted, sent or received, including avoiding deleting the account or accounts that allow you to post comments on YouTube, including any communications you have with any third-parties about me, regardless of the medium by which those comments are communicated.There are only two Mark Hunsakers that show up in a google search as having any interest or connection to Christianity. One is a pastor of a Lutheran church in Branson, MO., whose mannerisms in his videotaped sermons suggest a 12-year old trying to educate adults on what they already know, and the other is a man of the same name who goes around the internet posting comments about the bible, apologetics, and Lutheranism. I have good reason to draw the legal conclusion that your comments about me were genuinely and actionably libelous.I'm going to file a John Doe Subpoena in a federal Missouri Court, and a judge will order YouTube and/or Google to turn over all ISP addresses and identifying information for your specific account, to narrow down to the state and hopefully city that you actually post from. We are going to find out, within the next two months, whether my quick conclusions were actually true or actually false. FUCK YOU.If you would like to mitigate the storm of successful attacks on your honesty and credibility that are now looming large (which can only spell disaster if you are indeed a "pastor"), you might wish to email me at barryjoneswhat@gmail.com, or contact me at my blog turchisrong, and maybe we can settle out of court. Otherwise, I will pursue the above-mentioned methods of unmasking your true identity, so I can then file the libel lawsuit in a court of proper jurisdiction. The more you continue toying with me, the more I pursue legal methods of uncovering your real identity. Do you wish to trifle, or get honest?i think you are spoofing me. Thanks for the good laugh though. I am beginning to have doubts as to your mental stability. Btw, you don't have a clue what you are talking about legally. And you suck at research. Do anything like what you threaten and there might be much more than your alleged reputation that needs repair. Later.------------------end quote--------------------==============================================
15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
(Matt. 18:15-17 NAU)(by the way, you can tell that I employed the first part of Matthew 18 here. I wasn't able to go to him privately because he refuses to identify himself sufficiently to enable that, so I warned him of the error of his way in the only forum I knew I could communicate with him [here, he sinned by violating Romans 13, by violating secular laws prohibiting libel, laws which are consistent with biblical injunctions against slander, and therefore secular laws that Christians are obligated to follow], and he did not listen. The next step was taking a witness, and there were already witnesses there in that forum, and I otherwise wouldn't be able to get a witness to participate due to his refusal to identify himself more particularly so as to enable any such private meeting. He still isn't listening, so I am properly employing the third step, and "telling it to the church", or the portion of the church whose authority Hunsaker would more than likely acknowledge and submit to, if indeed it is the pastor from Branson MO who is the person libeling me.)The problem is that according to Jesus, if telling it to the whole church does not get him to truthfully admit his fault, you don't have any other options...you are to view that person the way first-century Jews viewed heathens and tax-collectors...which means you cannot justify continuing to retain him as a pastor, if indeed it is found out that this pastor was the one who in fact libeled me on YouTube.
You will also notice that the Hunsaker who libeled me, denied that he is the pastor of the Branson, MO church, but did so without making the denial explicit. But explicit denial is what one would expect if in fact he wasn't a pastor in Branson.A google search returned several different men with this name, but only two of them are associated in any way with Christianity. One is the Mark Hunsaker who pastors your church in Branson, MO. The other is a man who has been going around on the internet for more than 10 years, posting under the name "Mark Hunsaker" and posting on issues of Christianity and Lutheranism.And unfortunately for that person, you cannot post on YouTube unless you have previously done what Google or others asked, and provided a phone number and other positively identifying information to set up such account. Unless the person who libeled me is an extremely clever hacker who is a pro at hiding his internet tracks, that man's true identity is going to be unmasked one way or the other, so whoever the guilty party actually is, they are a fool if they think they can forever mask their guilt with their games and denials.That this Mark Hunsaker who libeled me seems to think he has much to lose, may be inferred from his quite unnecessary implied threat of physically harming me:
"Do anything like what you threaten and there might be much more than your alleged reputation that needs repair."Therefore, instead of blindly assuming your beloved pastor would never stoop this low, you should play it safe and not reveal my real-world contact info to him. I would ask that you first question him about the incident and determine for yourself whether his denying guilt rings true.If your pastor is guilty as charged, he has a lot to lose given what he foolishly chose to post already (i.e, physical threat to me and mocking denial that he is a pastor in Branson). You Lutherans probably couldn't chalk this up to typical sin, but would make a finding that such a mentality exhibits a severe spiritual immaturity that is disqualified from being any kind of leader or teacher of other Christians. The Hunsaker who libeled me clearly fails some of the criteria for leaders and teachers as mandated in 1st Timothy 3, whether he is or isn't the pastor from Branson.Please tell your pastor that because I am going to file a John Doe subpoena in court and force YouTube or whoever to reveal all of the ISP and other identifying information for the person who posted those comments, he can only hurt his credibility and ruin his career as a pastor if
a) he is the one who posted, and
b) he continues to deny his responsibility for the postings.
I will not stop seeking that man's true identity until a court of law tells me to.
If your pastor is responsible, the best thing he can do is honestly admit it, repent, and follow Jesus' advice, supra, to agree to reasonable settlement ($5,000), despite my good faith estimate that my damages are at or exceed the $75,000 minimum federal diversity jurisdictional threshold.If you didn't know that anonymous internet posters can be unmasked against their wishes and sued for the libelous comments they never thought they would be connected to in real life, here's an example of a John Doe subpoena which forced disclosure of the true identities of the anonymous people who were formerly only known by their internet pseudonyms:
In determining whether there is good cause to allow expedited discovery to identify anonymous internet users named as doe defendants, courts consider whether:(1) the plaintiff can identify the missing party with sufficient specificity such that the Court can determine that defendant is a real person or entity who could be sued in federal court;(2) the plaintiff has identified all previous steps taken to locate the elusive defendant;(3) the plaintiffs suit against defendant could withstand a motion to dismiss; and(4) the plaintiff has demonstrated that there is a reasonable likelihood of being able to identify the defendant through discovery such that service of process would be possible.
Please ask your pastor directly "did you, at any time in April 2018, assert in any posting to YouTube that somebody else's lawsuit was frivolous?"
And if your church seriously believes in "accountability" and if your pastor Hunsaker has nothing to hide by being innocent even in his private internet communications (which you correctly assume are in harmony with Christian ethics, given that you hired him as a pastor and therefore assume his private life coheres with Lutheran ethics just as much as his public life does) then please ask him to turn over to you the passwords to all of his internet accounts so you can do your own check of where he's been and what he's been saying. Also ask him whether he has deleted any of his internet-based accounts within the last 30 days. If he confesses to being guilty as charged, none of us need to endure the legal expenses of litigation as I've otherwise mentioned herein.
21 Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men. (2 Cor. 8:21 KJV)This message is sent in good faith. I am well aware of Missouri case law on libel, and I will be able to meet every single one of its elements for libel, should this end up in court and your pastor be identified as the one who libeled me.Once again, given this Hunsaker's implied threat of physical violence, please do not reveal to him my real name or other real-world contact information beyond barryjoneswhat@gmail.com, and my blog turchisrong. One thing we can know for certain, there is somebody named Mark Hunsaker in the world who wants to be viewed as a spiritual authority in Christianity, but who is disqualified from any such position due to his inability to be honest and eager willingness to slander others contrary to every bible verse mentioning slander. That person may or may not be your pastor in Branson, we'll soon be finding out for sure.Sincerely,
(name deleted)
---- If you are reading this and you have any information indicating, or likely to lead to, the real-life identity of the "Mark Hunsaker" who made the above-quoted comments on YouTube, please contact me by reply to one of my posts here, or by email to barryjoneswhat@gmail.com. If you want to help but fear involvement, you can set up a free email account at yandex or at any of the "disposable temporary email" services, without having to provide any telephone number or other privacy invading information, and contact me that way.
I'm actually hoping this Mark Hunsaker isn't the pastor of the same name in Missouri. Missouri's laws on libel are too conservative for reality.
Update: April 12, 2018
here is the email I recently sent to the specific Mark Hunsaker who pastors the church in Branson, Missouri:
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com> wrote:
---------end of quoted email--------------------Mr. Hunsaker,
Please retain and do not destroy or delete, or allow anybody else to destroy or delete any computer or internet communications you have sent or received within the last 30 days, including but not limited to internet accounts that allow you to post comments to YouTube, as I am preparing to file a libel lawsuit against a man with your name, and I'm still in the process of unmasking his true identity. If you have already so destroyed or deleted, please make an effort to recover what was destroyed or deleted, and document your efforts, explaining why any such effort was unsuccessful.Somebody using the name "Mark Hunsaker" libeled me on YouTube in the last couple of days by asserting as fact that my prior libel lawsuits against James Patrick Holding were frivolous, an abuse of the court system, and that I was seeking damages that were neither legally nor factually justified.And you cannot blame me for being suspicious that among the many different "Mark Hunsakers" returned in a google search, two them just happen to focus specifically on Lutheranism and Lutheranist perspectives. Yet despite this coincidence, I do not automatically conclude they are one and the same person. Hence, my efforts to further investigate.I currently don't know whether you are that specific Mark Hunsaker, but regardless, i cross-posted to my blog a full copy of the email I sent a few minutes ago to all of the officers and board members and other people associated with the Praise and Worship Lutheran church that you pastor:
Ron Musolino
Bernie Smith
Rev. Dr. Lee Hagan
Harley Schmitgen:
Shari Smith, Gloria Dei Lutheran Church
Vice President: Stephen Lindwedel
Treasurer: Kirk Manion
Linda Reinbold --->cgrady5383@gmail.com
Ron Jett
Julie Leeth
Ron Musolino
You can see that email at my blog, https://turchisrong.blogspot.com/2018/04/lawsuit-against- mark-hunsaker-planned.html I'd like to attempt settlement. $5,000 will cause me to stop investigating and drop the entire matter without further question.
Otherwise, because I believe Hunsaker libeled me while acting in the course and scope of his duties as employee of the corporation, I will be naming the corporation as the Defendant, and that means it is mandatory that they hire a lawyer, and that means one year's worth of pre-trial motions back and forth, and every hour your lawyer spends responding to my stuff, he gets his fee, and corporate lawyers usually charge $350 per hour. Most people think $5,000 in settlement is cheaper than $10,000 in lawyer fees.
If you aren't that specific Hunsaker, you have nothing to worry about; none of the facts I will be uncovering in future litigation will be pointing toward you as the guilty party. But if you are, you can avoid a rather expensive and embarrassing future impeachment of your credibility (perhaps enough to motivate the board of directors to think you are spiritually immature and thus biblically disqualified from holding any teaching position, i.e., losing your job) by being honest here and now, that is, BEFORE I unmask that man's true identity the hard way through a John Doe subpoena.The libelous YouTube comments are found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJFig3n1N9s ==================End of quoted commentary
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Are you the same Mark Hunsaker who commented on YouTube about my prior lawsuits, as indicated above, yes or no?
A true Christian would both answer and answer honestly.It is not consistent with Jesus to be guilty of a civil wrong that also constitutes a biblical wrong (slander) and when asked for an accounting, to just clam up, refuse to cooperate, and hope your guilt never becomes publicly exposed. See Matthew 5:25, 40.Guilty people are constantly plagued with a fact that is impossible to controvert: People who are actually innocent, usually DO cooperate in the effort to find the truth.
Since you are a pastor, whom we must presume has a private life that is just as in harmony with NT ethics as his public life, you don't, in fact, have any private internet communications that you would wish to hide from the officers and board of directors of the Praise and Worship Lutheran Church corporation, do you?There is nothing in your private internet life that is inconsistent with NT ethics, is there?Thank you for your time.
Barry Jones
Update April 12, 2018
Here is the message I sent a few minutes ago through the "contact us" page at pastor Mark Branson's church website http://branson.church/contact/
Update: April 12, 2018
The Mark Hunsaker who is pastor of the Lutheran Church in Branson, Missouri, replied to me as follows:
Here is the message I sent a few minutes ago through the "contact us" page at pastor Mark Branson's church website http://branson.church/contact/
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There is a "Mark Hunsaker" on YouTube who has libeled me and will thus be sued.I suspect, but cannot at present prove, that this man is the same as your pastor. I have sent an email to your board of directors and officers, this can also be readat my blog, https://turchisrong.blogspot.com/2018/04/lawsuit-against-mark-hunsaker-planned.htmlIf you have any information that would tend to support or refute the theory that your pastor is the specific Mark Hunsaker who libeled me on youtube, please reply by email with that info.I am required by law to engage in a diligent effort to unmask the true identity of an anonymous Defendant hiding under a pseudonym, before a Court will issue a John Doe subpoena forcing Google and YouTube to reveal the poster's true identity and originating ISP for his posts.Sincerely,Barry Jones
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Update: April 12, 2018
The Mark Hunsaker who is pastor of the Lutheran Church in Branson, Missouri, replied to me as follows:
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Mark Hunsaker <mark@branson.church> wrote:
Greetings.This email arrived in my inbox moments ago. It contains allegations that do not pertain to me nor any of my activities online. Simply put, you have the wrong person.My online accounts for which I utilize on YouTube are at the below links. You will note that these are not the account which engaged you on the Frank Turek video to which you linked.My personal YouTube account: https://www.youtube.com/channel/ UCiHVGBVWhokDTGpAT7SrRxQ My professional YouTube account: https://www.youtube.com/channel/ UCaPJF2naDaOWZd0bIwyClCQ I certainly hate to hear that anyone has treated you poorly. I can assure you I would never do anything like this. I would kindly ask that you remove mention of me and Praise & Worship Lutheran Church from your online postings.Thank you,MarkMark HunsakerPastor | Praise & WorshipBranson, MO
I replied as follows:
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:56 PM, Barry Jones <barryjoneswhat@gmail.com> wrote:Pastor Hunsaker,I appreciate your speedy response. But because the Courts require me to make my own diligent effort to unmask the otherwise anonymous "Mark Hunsaker" before they will issue a John Doe subpoena, I judge that leaving my online posts the way they are will increase the likelihood that somebody who is able to identify the actually guilty party, will see those posts and respond with the necessary information...and therefore increase the likelihood that the court will find my efforts to qualify as "diligent".
I do not believe a court would find I made a diligent effort if I suddenly took down all posts where I named you all because you responded and denied guilt. Those posts haven't even been up for more than two days.For what it is worth, I am sorry that you have the same name as somebody who libeled me.For now, the fact that you deny guilt tells me that you have no problem with Google or YouTube responding to a subpoena and revealing all information they have on the city and state of the originating IP address associated with your YouTube or other posts, and any other information likely to show from what point in the world your online posts are made. While I don't need your permission to obtain such an order in Court, I'll do you the courtesy of letting you know that I am pursuing such an order/subpoena.You could help the cause of truth by going to the YouTube video where those libelous comments are, and clarify that you, pastor of the Lutheran church, are not the same Mark Hunsaker who has previously responded to me there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJFig3n1N9s I'm sure that as a Christian, you have no problems making such a public disclaimer for the cause of truth.Once again, please do not erase, destroy or delete any computer, computer files, electronic files, internet accounts or evidence of online posting activity that those accounts might contain. If you must delete anything, first make and retain a copy of it.Thank you,Barry Jones
