James Patrick Holding is likely partnering with City Blessing Church

 Since Mr. Holding appears to care about ceasing to slander me about as much as a hungry alligator wishes to walk away from a fresh kill, I post the following in the effort to mitigate the reputation damage I endure or will likely endure.  I  have good reason to believe I discovered the identity of the Indonesian church that Holding is trying to sell his dogshit apologetics to, so it only makes sense that I reveal that here and then supply them with comprehensive reasons to take whatever Holding says about me, with a few barrels of salt.

James Patrick Holding tells about his attempts to interest another church is his apologetics bullshit, but for unknown reasons, refuses to tell the reader the identity of that other church. 

  In 2018, we have two missions afield planned.   
The first will be to a church in Philadelphia which is the church home for immigrants from Indonesia. I already have a link to the parent organization of this church, and I regularly attend the branch church in the Orlando area.

 see here.

He is, again, questionably ambiguous about exactly through whom he partners so that donations to him become tax-deductible:

 The first will be to a church in Atlanta which is the church home for immigrants from Indonesia. Yes, this is associated with the same parent organization of the branch church I regularly attend in the Orlando area. I am making the rounds, so to speak, as a prelude to a planned trip to Indonesia itself.
...All donations are tax-deductible, though as I noted in my ministry manifesto, I will now be working through third party organizations rather than one of my own. You will receive a receipt from that third party organization I am working with.

see here.


The only Indonesian church I could find in the Orlando area, that had any hope of being the one Holding was talking about, was the City Blessing Church, pastored by Freddy Liwang, see here.  If you wish to warn those church leaders away from Holding, their email addresses, which I gleaned from their publicly acessible websites, are

Fredy Liwang 

fliwang@gmail.com

Orlando, FL
1450 Citrus Oaks Gotha, Fl 34734

Janto Djajaputra
jantoiren@netzero.net

Steve Efendik
stefanusefendik@gmail.com

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This is a message to City Blessing Church
or whatever Indonesian church Holding attends:

Holding has an extremely serious pathological desire to commit the sin of slander against me, a sin that has been in full force since long before 2015, and all such sins of which I have fully documented both at this blog, and in the two libel lawsuits I filed against him in the past, which you can access here.


The two documents from that link that would most extensively record Mr. Holding's libels are:

• 01 - State Lawsuit, Doscher v. Holding,    and even more extensively, 
• 11 - Federal lawsuit, Doscher v. Holding

The next problem is that Mr. Holding has never expressed or implied that he has any genuine remorse for his many sins of slander in both past and present.  That is, not only does he engage in this sin with impunity, but he is so horrifically ignorant, he doesn't recognize the act to be sin, he actually thinks it is holy and good (!?)

What would you think of a Christian apologist who thought committing adultery was a sign of spiritual maturity?  Would you donate to his dogshit ministry?  Not likely, some things simply aren't open for debate?

Indeed, Mr. Holding is so sick-headed with his own pathological narcissism (i.e., the only people who "follow" him are other like-minded juvenile delinquents who mistake his self-gloating defamatory cartoon videos for serious scholarly substance/spiritual maturity, while actual serious scholars who previously publicly supported him, have withdrawn that support for obvious reasons), he actually thinks that his filthy slanders and false accusations against his critics constitute spiritually mature conduct.

He certainly isn't going to say the conduct he's been engaging in for 20 years shows spiritual immaturity, so he doesn't have a lot of room to trifle about the significance of the trail of verbal garbage he has left behind in his sinful tirades, which otherwise is about the only thing that he is "famous" for.

Mr. Holding is also a hypocrite; you don't find him saying filthy things or slandering others when he is authoring articles for other Christian organizations such as Christian Research Institute.  And despite his strong belief in the spiritual goodness of insult, he never even once insulted atheist Richard Carrier during their live debate in 2011.  Maybe Holding's bible has a verse that says namecalling is only allowed to be done over the internet?

This man continues to libel me presently on youtube and other websites, almost as if his escaping having to answer the merits of the prior two libel lawsuits (though technicalities) somehow emboldened him to think he was absolutely immune to any possible libel suit.

Search "turchisrong" and "James Patrick Holding" on google, and you will see all of my extensive documentation here that Mr. Holding is a closet-homosexual, is disowned by his own favorite scholars, and because his violations of Ephesians 5:4 and Colossians 3:8 are deliberate and willful, he is disqualified from holding any type of "teaching" position in any "Christian" church.

It is not without good reason that James 3:1 discourages most Christians from becoming "teachers".

 Even if you aren't a "bible scholar", do you really need to be told that there are ZERO legitimately credentialed evangelical Christian scholars who agree with Holding's absurd view that Jesus wants his followers to go around slandering their critics?

Mike Licona and Gary Habermas strongly advise Christians against slander, as I've documented.  See here.

Craig Blomberg agrees, as I've documented.  See here.

Plenty of legitimately credentialed Christian scholars agree, as I've documented, see here.

Back in 2008, the one scholar that Mr. Holding depended on the most to justify saying the bible authorizes today's Christians to insult and belittle their critics (Dr. Richard Rohrbaugh) made perfectly clear, after analyzing a sample of Mr. Holding's gratuitously insulting language toward me, that Mr. Holding

• gives Christianity a bad name
• does not deserve to be given the time of day
• is a boor with no manners, and 
• sounds like somebody in serious need of psychological help.  

See my 2008 post here.

In 2015, Dr. Rohrbaugh cursorily reviewed Mr. Holding's most definitive article in defense of name-calling and slander (an article that quoted Rohrbaugh), and said it was an "obvious perversion" of Rohrbaugh's own work, a perversion of all Context Group work, a perversion of the entire New Testament, and was so bad, he did not even deem the article worthy of any response.  See here (search for "obvious perversion" to quickly locate Rohrbaugh's actual comment).

 In short, Mr. Holding's sin of slander arises from his absurd interpretation of the bible, i.e., that the bible authorizes today's Christian to hurl abusive shaming insults and epithets at anybody whom they disagree with.  It also arises from his genetics, since most mature responsible adults do not consistently manifest a pathological need to constantly spread factually and legally false information about other people.  If you cannot condemn a dog for barking...

I have never falsely accused Mr. Holding, he really is a slanderer and closet homosexual.  But he is also too chickenshit to debate me in a true scholarly way.

His idea of "debate" is to upload defamatory cartoon videos to YouTube, wait for me to make my own reply here, so he can then post another reply-video there.  Mr. Holding would rather die than actually confront me in a real-time debate.  But he is going to endure it anyway because I'm going to be suing him again for libel per se, and I'll be taking a full deposition of him as we both sit at the same table, with video camera and court reporter recording everything, with intent to use Mr. Holding's answers to impeach his credibility at trial.

(Oh, did I mention?  Mr. Holding's current libels against me are occurring after he spent $21,000 in legal fees to get my prior libels lawsuits dismissed.  Normally somebody getting that lucky would "learn the lesson", but Mr. Holding has misconstrued his two lucky wins as a sign that God wants him to continue telling defamatory lies about me to the world at large.  How's that for pathological obstinacy?)

And even if his name-calling were biblically justified, he would still be guilty of sin:  the bible obviously requires Christians to refrain from falsely accusing others.  Mr.  Holding has not merely called me names, he has slandered and reviled me, numerous times as my documentation shows, supra.

Now what?  Maybe Holding will have a vision of God and suddenly discover that there are times when falsely accusing another person can possibly be good and holy?

No, the bible forbids any such foolishness:

...it's one of the 10 commandments, so perhaps Holding just never knew this was in the bible?

 16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (Exod. 20:16 NAU)

Gee, I don't live next door to Holding, so maybe he is thus free to falsely accuse me?

Moses elsewhere specified you shall show no mercy to the one who has falsely accused another:

 16 "If a malicious witness rises up against a man to accuse him of wrongdoing,
 17 then both the men who have the dispute shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges who will be in office in those days.
 18 "The judges shall investigate thoroughly, and if the witness is a false witness and he has accused his brother falsely,
 19 then you shall do to him just as he had intended to do to his brother. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.
 20 "The rest will hear and be afraid, and will never again do such an evil thing among you.
 21 "Thus you shall not show pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. (Deut. 19:16-21 NAU)

 John the Baptist condemned those who falsely accuse others:

14 Some soldiers were questioning him, saying, "And what about us, what shall we do?" And he said to them, "Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages." (Lk. 3:14 NAU)

Jesus condemned anyone who committed "slander":

 18 "But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.
 19 "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
 20 "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man." (Matt. 15:18-20 NAU)

 Apostle Paul demanded that you disfellowship or excommunicate any so-called "Christian brother" who engages in the sin of reviling (i.e., slander):

 9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;
 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.
 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one.
 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. (1 Cor. 5:9-13 NAU)

Paul also believed that the sins of abusive speech, slander and coarse jesting, sins that are abundant in Mr. Holding's "apologetics", are the reason why God's wrath continues to abide on many:

 1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children;
 2 and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.
 3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;
 4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
 5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them; (Eph. 5:1-7 NAU)

 5 Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.
 6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,
 7 and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them.
 8 But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.
 9 Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices,
 10 and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him-- (Col. 3:5-10 NAU)

Holding's filthy jesting toward his critics are also some of his sins which I've extensively documented, here.

Holding's prior sins of slander include characterizing his critics as having giant penises which they use to hit other people in the head with.  See here, and search for "pee".

Christian apologist Steve Hays in 2005 accused Holding of having an unsavory attraction to homoerotic terms.  In 2016 Hays tried to pretend that these words of his were mere satire or otherwise "just kidding", but I proved Hays to be a first-rate liar, with an examination of the full context of that 2005 post.  See here.

See my own study of the Greek terms at issue in Paul's condemnation of slander and libel, here.
(search for the phrase "NT ethical principles would demand that these things arguably legitimately question whether he is "saved" at all")

Apostle Peter condemns slander:

 1 Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
 2 like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation, (1 Pet. 2:1-2 NAU)

 And he who spreads slander is a fool. (Prov. 10:18 NAU)

If you have any specific questions, for example, you aren't quite sure just yet whether the bible's prohibitions on false accusations are absolute, I'll be happy to answer them here, or in private email, barryjoneswhat@gmailcom.