Saturday, May 27, 2017

Unbilbical responses by James Patrick Holding, aka Robert Turkel

James Patrick Holding is an internet apologist who, for he better part of 20 years, depended heavily on the work of the Context Group for a proposition that no other bible scholar agrees with him on:  that the bible justifies modern-day Christians to respond with sneering vituperations, insults, riposte and condescending language to anybody who would publicly attack Christianity.  The Context group has twice disowned Holding on this account, with co-founder Richard Rohrbaugh specifying that Holding's insulting language means he gives Christianity a bad name, needs serious pyschological help, and no scholar in the Context Group, nor any other, would wish to associate with Holding.

Don't miss Rohrbaugh's latest email to me, quoted in that blog post:  Rohrbaugh said Holding's magnum opus in attempting to biblically justify his dirty invective toward critics (an article by Holding that uses Rohrbaugh's own scholarship to support such conduct) was an 'obvious perversion' of Context Group work in general, Rohbaugh's work in particular, and a perversion also of the whole New Testament.

Having settled the fact that Holding's childish name-calling stems from nowhere but his own immature brain, and having settled that Holding exhibits about as much fruit of spiritual growth as a dead alligator, this blog will be updated regularly with linked references to language used by Holding, which his own favorite scholars condemn him for using.  I also include here Holding's homosexual phrases ("butt" normally wouldn't be considered homosexual by itself, but the person using that word, Holding, finds far more significance to male butts than simply metaphor, as his closet-homosexuality shows.

Keep in mind that I have emails between Gary Habermas and Holding.  Holding therein says he doesn't desire to engage in the "strong comeback" anymore, and Habermas expresses gladness to hear this possible sign that Holding, after 20 years of juvenile delinquent idiocy, is starting to experience something remotely approaching spiritual growth.  The following is a growing list proves that Holding was lying to Habermas, and probably only told the lie because he did want to lose Habermas' endorsement after copies of my two libel lawsuits.

The following people have asserted that Holding is sinning with his insulting sneers:

Dan Wallace
Gary Habermas
Craig Blomberg

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Holding calls others who disagree with him "morons":
 04-11-2017, 02:05 PM Thread: A Response to Brent Landau by jpholding
Landau: Yet another moron sifting sound bites.
 Holding cannot suppress his desire to put visuals of him spanking other man, into the heads of his followers:
Tors reminds me of Farrell Till. Especially the mile-long rants. (Can you imagine if TektonTV had been around while I was still spanking Till?) 
 At his own youtube channel, Holding responds to my academic critique of him, by calling me a "moron",

tektontv6 days ago 
That's all you're good at all right. You can go now, moron.
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Mr. Holding made rather weak unsupported arguments in a video he made to address the skeptical contention that according to Numbers 31 and Deut. 21, the ancient Hebrews allowed adult men to get married to prepubescent girls.

I replied to that video with critique.

Holding responded to me, indirectly, with yet another cartoon video in which he uses a disheveled looking bum as his caricature of me, he asks questions of this character, and he has me begin all of my answers with a retarded sounding "duh".  Holding throughout the video insults me as follows:
  • "fundy atheist moron", at 3:40,
  • says at 8:00 that my level of brain damage is high
  • at 9:00 calls me a stupid fundy atheist.
  • at 10:20, suggests that I am too over-sexed to know that marriage at an early age might not have immediately allowed for sex.   This shows, once again, his inability to avoid filthy talk.  He could have made the same point with the same force without the sexual innuendo.  
  • Calls me a moron again at 12:38
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Over at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm3JyGz-dBQ&google_comment_id=z13hvntxynaqf3lw204cd1eruvvjwzdb2wo0k
Holding engages in the following insults:

+tektontv Too bad your attempt to humiliate backfires every time.  You're so unintentionally hilarious!
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Too bad you're too stunned and stupid to explain HOW! Deal with it, suckahs! :D
 
So, still waiting for an explanation of how it "backfires" to show that one of you poor dolts gave an idea from a highly credentialed Biblical scholar an "F". Should I put a kettle on while I wait? Or is this some made up rule that if someone pretends their feelings are hurt, they get a free pass to say something really stupid and it becomes true?
 ----I respond: Holding's own sneer "backfires", since he has used the work of Context Group scholar Richard Rohrbaugh to justify Holding's infamously juvenile need to constantly insult and demean anybody and everybody who disagrees with him.  The problem being that the Context Group, speaking through Rohrbaugh, has Holding gives Christianity a bad name, needs serious pyschological help, and no scholar in the Context Group, nor any other, would wish to associate with Holding.
 
 tektontv2 years ago
ROFL! Sorry you're so stupid and embarrassed, Mikey, but I gave citation in an article which is referred to in my videos. As for all the rest of that, you don't have any evidence of "translation differences" etc etc etc, you're just throwing dust in the air to cover your embarrassing gaffe at handing one of the most respected scholars in the world an F! You wouldn't have asked anything -- you didn't need comments to ask, there's PMs, email, etc etc etc. You answer questions on your channel, so let me ask, what gumball machine did you get your M Div out of? :D
 ---I reply:  Holding called this man an atheist, but this man responds that he is not an atheist:
My name is Mikenna, not Mikey.  I'm sorry that you're unable to tell the difference between the two names.  But hey, I'm not expecting much from you.  *Pats*  You lost the moment you resorted to ad hominems and insults. Ta ta! (Just an FYI...) I'm not an atheist. ;) So you're wrong AGAIN in that nice little "I win because I have /now/ provided my sources and made a rebuttal video and called someone stupid and an atheist!" --------I reply:  Mikenna expressed disdain for somebody mocking his name, but no, Holding responds right back with the same juvenile sneers:

+Mikenna MacLachlan Oh yes you're not one today. Just like you're a Biblical scholar....but not anymore...Mikey. :D Keep suffering the embarrassment of giving Sloyan an F.

 I reply:  Holding refuses to admit he called it wrong in labeling Mikenna an atheist


And see, once again you prove not just that you have no respect for people who are not of your faith (which is kind of going against what your own faith teaches, but hey, cherry picking for the win, right?), but no social skills.  If you wish to talk to someone, refer to them properly, or ask if they have a nickname if you have trouble spelling their name properly.   And sorry, still not an atheist.  Closest thing to describe me would be a skeptic.  But again, not expecting you to be able to tell the difference.   Enjoy your little world of hate and discontent, I'm going back to my studies.
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Yes, I know, making up a new category to avoid the obvious, Mikey. I still want to know where you got your M. Div....Lucky Charms box? It must also be where you got your fantasy ideas about respect. :D

 I reply:  notice that Holding characterizes Mikenna's desire to be addressed in a respectful way, as coming from Mikennas "fantasy ideas about respect".  Yeah, not wanting your opponent to engage in name puns and other insulting invective is just fantasy.  Holding's mind is one big fantasy, in his one live videotaped debate with atheist Richard Carrier, Holding did not ever shame or insult Carrier?  Why not?  Has God decided that Christians of today can only fulfill their biblical duty to shame others, over the internet?  Or is Holding just a chickenshit hypocrite, and only insults his opposition when there's little likelihood he'll have to answer in real time in front of real people, as the situation was with Jesus in the first century?
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Update, December 27, 2017

Apparently, Holding just cannot shake loose the homosexual virus.  He absolutely cannot resist speaking about the greasy ass of other men.  This one comes from his "Fun with Flat Earthers" soliloquy:
Sure, Phil, just keep pressing that panic button and other fundies won’t bother to examine your claims too closely as you slide down that slippery slope with grease on your backside
Thank you, Mr. Holding.  If you didn't put in my mind the image of a man with grease on his ass, I'd probably not have understood the point you were making.  Is this the part where you tell all of conservative Christianity's legitimately credentialed scholars how wrong they are to find your language unacceptable?

For those who say this kind of language doesn't imply homosexuality on Holding's part, you need to recognize the homosexual history Mr. Holding has evinced for 20 years, also documented and linked here at this blog.  Straight guys can probably talk like this once in a while and not imply their own homosexuality, but Mr. Holding has a long history of being enamored with men's asses, to the point that he was forced in shame to remove from one of his blogs fictional stories about cartoon characters shoving their heads up their own asses.

One might expect that if he wasn't gay, his sexual metaphors would implicate female sex organs just as much, but no, with Holding it's always male-oriented.

Stay tuned for further updates.







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