Thursday, March 7, 2019

Cold Case Christianity: Why Are Young Christians Leaving the Church? It’s Simple Math

This is my reply to an article by J. Warner Wallace entitled


 

Several years ago I had the opportunity to speak to an engaging group of Christians in Elgin, Iowa at the First Baptist Church of Elgin. The congregation was a wonderful combination of young families and older members who understand the challenges facing the younger Christians in their midst. I shared the overwhelming statistics chronicling the growing number of young Christians leaving the church during their college years, but many in the audience had already seen the departure firsthand. The dilemma was personal, and they were ready (and eager) to examine the causes (and the possible solutions). Before I shared my T.R.A.I.N. paradigm, I took a minute to describe the causal factors leading to the departure of so many young Christians. This isn’t rocket science; three simple truths combine to create the situation we see today:
 And significantly, none of your alleged causal factors include "because its harder for modern Christians to hide the problems of the bible in this information-age".
Our Christian Teenagers are Inarticulate and Uninformed
Unfortunately, most of the young Christians who graduate from our youth programs and enter college are surprisingly inarticulate about their Christian beliefs. Sociologists Christian Smith and Melinda Denton did an excellent job of reporting the problem in Soul Searching: The Religious Lives of American Teenagers. They discovered Christian teens have the ability to be articulate about a number of issues, but are seldom articulate when it comes to their Christian beliefs. Most could not describe simple principles and claims of Christianity, and even those who could, struggled to provide simple responses to typical skeptical objections they will surely encounter in college. Our students have not been trained with the university battlefield in view.
But I see nothing in the bible that indicates illiteracy is a bad thing, or that it needs to be overcome.  Illiteracy didn't stop the original Christians from allegedly possessing the power of the Holy Spirit to perform the work of evangelism and defending the gospel.  See Acts 4:13.  

It does you no good to trifle that this only means Peter and John weren't formally educated in schools; apostle Paul twice referred to the illiteracy of his intended readers with no sign in the context that he thought this to be any type of problem:
 26 For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; (1 Cor. 1:26 NAU)
16 When this letter is read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and you, for your part read my letter that is coming from Laodicea. (Col. 4:16 NAU)
 Secondly, there is no reason why the average Joe living in Israel between 1500 b.c. and 200 a.d. should ever find it helpful to bother with learning to read or write.  Peter and John were allegedly fishermen, and you can cast nets and haul fish all day every day without even knowing how to spell your own name.  Unless your goal was to specifically become a person who needs to read and write, like a scribe, illiteracy was never deemed unacceptable at all in biblical days.

There is literally NOTHING in the bible expressing or even implying that being illiterate is an unacceptable state of affairs that believers have a duty to "overcome".  Wallace continues:
University Campuses are Generally Hostile to Christianity
And make no mistake about it, the university setting will likely be a battlefield populated with people opposed to Christianity. Sociologists Neil Gross (Harvard University) and Solon Simmons (George Mason University) conducted a study in 2006 revealing 1 in 4 university professors are atheists or agnostics (nearly 5 times the ration in the general population. And according to an Institute for Jewish and Community Research survey of 1,200 college faculty members, only 6% of the professors say the Bible is “the actual word of God,” 51% say the Bible is “an ancient book of fables, legends, history & moral precepts,” and more than half of the professors surveyed have “unfavorable” feelings toward Evangelical Christians.
The NT nowhere expresses or implies that becoming educated by worldly standards should be seen as helpful toward the goal of dealing with hostile critics of Christianity.  Therefore, under the conservative hermeneutic "where the bible is silent, we are silent", you are forced to agree that the NT has a solution for the Christian dealing with hostile critics of Christianity, and it isn't "learn how to read".  For all you know, America's long-time fascination with reading is against your god's wishes, since apparently the only purpose literacy is intended to serve is so the child can grow up and "get a job" (i.e., help promote a decidedly anti-Christian form of greedy capitalism).  Some would argue that we could learn to be spiritually mature much more efficiently if we forego buying a house and car, and simply choose to live on the street, especially since in today's world, to get a house and car require that you make committments that you have no rational reason to think you'll be able to keep.  You only want a house and car because you desire ease of life, not because you wish to use them for "god's glory". 
Young Men and Women Are Eager to Chase Their Desires with Liberty
Most of us, if we’re honest, understand the temptation facing young Christians, because we’ve also experienced such enticements. As fallen humans, we’ve all experienced the temptation of youth.
Sure is funny that as people get older their chasing after sin and vice occurs less and less.  This is true even for non-religious people and atheists. Elderly people who are very sinful are mere exceptions proving the rule.  Seems much more likely that mere aging, and not "god", are the reason why we chase after vice less often as we get older.  So unless you think older people have less freewill than younger people, then god could have taken the chemical and physiological truths about older people and infused them into younger people, and presto, the younger people would pursue "sin" far less than they currently do...yet nobody's freewill would violated.

By the way, we all remember when we were little that one kid at school that just seemed to always stay out of trouble get good grades, etc.  We also know lots of people who are free from spirituality/religion and yet who do not pursue worldly "vice".  Whatever realities about their brains cause them to find vice unappealing, God could have infused this into all other people, and all other people would pursue sin far less, yet nobody's freewill would be violated.

And by the way, I need not pander to freewill anyway: sometimes the more loving thing to do is to force the loved one to conform to your demands, such as having a rebellious drug dealing daughter involuntarily committed, or having your thief-son arrested and put in jail.  So I don't understand your hang-up about "freewill".  God would be even stupider than you if he went around always thinking that refusal to violate a person's freewill is always the more "loving" thing to do.  And if Romans 13:4 is true, it is "God" who wished for earthly authorities to violate the freewill of other people we call criminals.  And if God really did command Moses and Joshua to massacre the pagans, gee, did that involve violating anybody's freewill?

Apparently, your bible-god is far less worried about respecting freewill than you think.

And your trifle that god's ways are mysterious does nothing to intellectually obligate the skeptic, even if it might make people whose minds are still trapped by fairytale theology, to breathe a great sigh of relief.   Mormons could also invoke god's mysterious ways to explain why there's no South American archaeological support for exclusively Book of Mormon claims, but then again, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize when the gods-ways-are-mysterious excuse is being abused as a cover for one's inability to overcome an argument.
For many of our Christian students, their college years are the first opportunity they’ve ever had to be free of their parent’s consistent oversight. It’s also a place filled with attractive young people, many of whom don’t share their Christian worldview. Consider the strength of the temptation and imagine the selfish value of an alternative worldview allowing young students to chase their passions and desires without restriction, inhibition or guilt.
 All very good reasons for the Christian to notice that they are far too concerned about worldly matters and they aren't serving Christ as well as they can, if they attend college.  NOBODY attends a secular college in order to grow closer to Christ.  They do it for no other reason than to help ensure they'll have a decent income in the future...a decidedly "earthly"  priority the NT nowhere endorses.  Yes, you need to pay your bills.  No, you don't need to take out a mortgage, have a car, or any of the other vanities made possible by the modern world.
For many, atheistic naturalism, with its alternate creation story, moral code, materialistic values and goals, is an incredibly attractive alternative to Christianity.
Sorry, atheism doesn't have a "moral code".  Morals are relative, which is why 10 atheists would disagree with each other on a host of moral issues.  But if you paint atheism as a "code" that tells its followers to just indulge in whatever they feel like doing, I'm sure your already entrapped cult members will clap rapidly enough to generate more book-sales. And we already knew that your "apologetics" was never aimed at informed skeptics anyway, you only preach to the choir.
The fallen inclination to chase our selfish desire is common to all of us, but it’s a critical driving force for many young students.
 Blame it on god, who refuses to use his magic fairy dust to successfully overcome a sinner's freewill resistance.  See Ezra 1:1.
It’s time to align our churches and ministries to engage the most important demographic within the Church: young Christians.
 Sounds to me like in your better judgement, the younger Christians are not spiritually mature enough to justify their trying to beat back the forces of darkness with "apologetics".  And it's perfectly clear in the NT that personal holiness must first exist before you can presume to teach others, as hypocrisy is a sin.  

The NT views the office of Christian teacher with grave solemn seriousness, James 3:1.  Something tells me that spiritually immature youth probably shouldn't be trying to do battle with the devil?
It doesn’t take a researcher with a PhD to understand the forces at work here. In fact, the dilemma can be characterized with a simple equation:
College Equation
Most of us ought to be able to predict the sum in this equation; it should be easy to anticipate the outcome. Take a closer look at all three “addends” being added in this equation. Which of these three additive realities can we, as parents, youth pastors and leaders, impact or change? We can’t change the hostile nature of the university campus or the human nature of our young Christians. If we want to alter this math equation, we’re going to have to get involved with the first addend. We’ve got to do whatever it takes to inform, equip and engage young Christians in a rational, evidential investigation of Christianity.
 That's not how Paul thought the youth should be reached.  He taught that their issues must be addressed at home, where the intent is that their home-education will help them be holy adults, Ephesians 6:1-3.

Wallace, it sure is funny that you give not a single second's consideration to the hypothesis that "college" in modern America is so filled with anti-Christian sentiment, the truly spiritual Christian will find non-Christian colleges to be off-limits.

But if you had considered this, you hurt your own reason for living:  The more Christians simply stay away from sources of sin, the less they need your books and speeches.

Jesus was worse, he encouraged people to give up custody of their own kids just to free up more time to go following him around. Notice "children" in the list of farms, houses, and other things Jesus wants them to give up so they can achieve the goal of eternal life and more:
 29 "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life. (Matt. 19:29 NAU)
Wallace, you don't tell parents to seriously consider giving up custody of their kids just to make more time for Christian "ministry", so you aren't giving the needy Christian people the harsh lesson they actually need.
It’ll be tough enough for our students to resist the temptation to abandon their Christian worldview when tempted by their own desires; especially given the nature of university life and the encouragement they will receive to pursue their passions. But, it will be even easier to walk away if our students aren’t even sure why Christianity is true in the first place. It’s time to align our churches and ministries to engage the most important demographic within the Church: young Christians. It’s time to get in the game, redirect our efforts and start training.
Translation: "I'm a salesman.  Like all salesman, I seek to convince you a problem exists, and that I have a solution you can purchase!"

Sorry, Wallace, but if the Holy Spirit did just fine for 2,000 years without needing your marketing gimmicks, the sad fact is that you represent nothing more than somebody who has chosen to jump on the capitalist Jesus bandwagon, selling Jesus for profit, while making sure to allocate your fair tax-burden to other people who aren't dishonest enough to use religion to escape their civil responsibilities.

Saturday, March 2, 2019

Rebuttal to Dr. Timothy McGrew's attack on arguments from silence

Dr. Timothy McGrew is a Christian scholar and apologist, and argues against the validity of the argument from silence.  The full article is not available online, and I've requested it from him directly.

 
 
For now, here's an online intro to McGrew's article:
The Argument from Silence.
Source: Acta Analytica. Jun2014, Vol. 29 Issue 2, p215-228. 14p.
Author(s): McGrew, Timothy
Abstract:     The argument from silence is a pattern of reasoning in which the failure of a known source to mention a particular fact or event is used as the ground of an inference, usually to the conclusion that the supposed fact is untrue or the supposed event did not actually happen. Such arguments are widely used in historical work, but they are also widely contested. This paper surveys some inadequate attempts to model this sort of argument, offers a new analysis using a Bayesian probabilistic framework that isolates the most problematic step in such arguments, illustrates a key problem besetting many uses of the argument, diagnoses the attraction of the argument in terms of a known human cognitive bias affecting the critical step, and suggests a standard that must be met in order for any argument from silence to have more than a very weak influence on historical reasoning.
Source here.

While my critique cannot be full until McGrew releases the full article to me, the reader will be interested to know that American courts of law consider the argument from silence viable for the jury to consider, that is, the courts do not consider the argument from silence to be necessarily or automatically fallacious:
"Impeachment by omission" is a recognized means of challenging a witness's credibility. "A statement from which there has been omitted a material assertion that would normally have been made and which is presently testified to may be considered a prior inconsistent statement." State v. Provet, 133 N.J.Super. 432, 437, 337 A.2d 374 (App.Div.), certif. denied, 68 N.J. 174, 343 A.2d 462 (1975); see also Silva, supra, 131 N.J. at 444-45, 621 A.2d 17; State v. Marks, 201 N.J.Super. 514, 531-32, 493 A.2d 596 (App. Div.1985), certif. denied, 102 N.J. 393, 508 A.2d 253 (1986). This principle is widely accepted. Jenkins v. Anderson, 447 U.S. 231, 239, 100 S.Ct. 2124, 2129, 65 L.Ed.2d 86, 95 (1980) ("Common law traditionally has allowed witnesses to be impeached by their previous failure to state a fact in circumstances in which that fact naturally would have been asserted."); Kenneth S. Broun, McCormick on Evidence § 34 (7th 784*784 ed. 2013) ("[I]f the prior statement omits a material fact presently testified to and it would have been natural to mention that fact in the prior statement, the statement is sufficiently inconsistent."); 3A Wigmore on Evidence § 1042 (Chadbourn rev. 1970) ("A failure to assert a fact, when it would have been natural to assert it, amounts in effect to an assertion of the non-existence of the fact.")

I'll give a sample argument from silence to show that it can be employed to draw skeptical yet reasonable conclusions about the bible.

Most Christian scholars believe Mark is the earliest gospel (Markan priority) and that Matthew borrowed extensively from Mark's text (Two-Source Hypothesis).

Ok...Mark obviously doesn't tell the story of Jesus' virginal conception.  But Matthew does (Matthew 2).

I draw the confident conclusion that Mark omits the virgin conception story either because he knew nothing about it (and since he wrote around 60 a.d., Mark continues to be ignorant of this story more than 25 years after Jesus died, thus creating obvious problems for claims of Matthew's historical reliability, especially if we also assume, as fundies wish, that Matthew wrote early, around 60 a.d.), or Mark omits the story because he knew about it, but deemed it false (which if true, means the NT authors disagreed with each other about which Christ-events were true and which were false, a heavy blow to anything even remotely resembling bible inerrancy).

Is this skeptical argument from silence so utterly compelling that it would render "foolish" anybody who disagreed with it?  No.  I would imagine that nothing in ancient history, that comes us to upon no further basis than the testimony found within books of disputed and likely anonymous authorship, can be settled so strongly as to render "foolish" anybody who would disagree with it.

Must an argument render the gainsayers foolish before it can be considered "reasonable"?  No.

Do you think your beliefs about Bigfoot are reasonable?  Likely yes.  Does that thus imply you are confident you could "blow away" any person who held opposing beliefs on the subject?  No.  Not even you yourself believe that "reasonableness" hinges on obviousness.  Juries can be reasonable to declare a man guilty of a crime, even if technically he was innocent.  Sometimes you cannot blame a person for thinking the false theory was the one that looked the most likely true.

Well then, "reasonableness" doesn't require batting the opposing side's viewpoint all the way out of the ballpark.  Only with asshole idiots like James Patrick Holding and other "apologists" like him, does one get the impression that skeptics can make no legitimate progress whatsoever unless they "completely demolish" every possible scintilla of hope that bible inerrancy might have going for itself.  Such extremist view is just another proof that such "apologists" have the emotional maturity of a teenager.  The secular version of James Patrick Holding would be "If you don't like Slayer, yer a pussy".

In the real world, by contrast, legitimately credentialed and responsible historians and scholars recognize that the reasonableness of an explanatory theory can remain in place even if there's another theory on the horizon with an acceptably arguable basis.

But if that is the case, then this skeptical argument from Mark's silence is not "debunked" or "refuted" merely by trifling that Mark could have found the virgin conception story true and yet have had legitimate reasons for not wishing to include it in his gospel.  That trifle is a legitimate possibility, of course, but mere possibilities do not transform a reasonable position into an unreasonable position.

Upholding this argument from Mark's silence is the following:
  • Jesus being Lord by nature would have been, and proved to be, one of the most controversial of all his claims.  We reasonably expect those who wish to convince others to believe controversial claims, to use the very best evidence available to them.  So if Jesus really did go around proclaiming himself Lord, the corroborating testimony from his mother, the only other human being whose input would carry the most evidential weight, would have been both sought and valued in a collectivist honor/shame society.  The idea that she just said nothing about it anyone until after Mark wrote in 60 a.d. is an absurd unlikelihood.  The greater Jesus spoke and acted, the more his mother would be hounded with questions by the masses.  So it is likely that if the virgin birth tale is true, Mary would have divulged this to the apostles before Jesus died.
  • Peter was within Jesus' inner circle, only he, James and John accompany Jesus at the Mt. of Transfiguration, Mark 9:2). Hence Peter is more likely to know whatever intimate detail Mary would have shared, even if she wouldn't likely share it with the rest of the world.
  • So if the virgin birth tale is true, it is likely that Peter knew, before Jesus died, that Jesus was Lord from birth.
  • It is without question that if Jesus really did do genuinely supernatural miracles, his immediate followers would be asking him all sorts of pointed nuanced questions about his mother and family.  The polished regal portrait of events we get in the gospels obviously doesn't reflect how actual reality would have played itself out.  They surely did ask him "when did your family discover that you are God?  Before, during or after you were born?", or even "If your mother is blessed to have conceived you, how shall we honor her?"
  • So if Peter preached his gospel to the Romans often with Mark tagging along, as the patristic sources allege, Mark would likely have heard Peter tell the story of Jesus' conception.
  • Peter would have recognized that a man being a god by nature, would have been difficult for non-Christians to accept unless there was a story about how this god came down in the likeness of men.
  • Peter would have known that his allegedly Roman audience would expect to see claims of a god appearing in human form, to be substantiated by tales involving his mother to the same effect, the way they had tales of other gods such as Jupiter/Zeus becoming manifest on earth in physical form via getting some woman pregnant.  So he likely would have told them the story of Jesus' conception, had he known about it and thought it true.
  • Indeed, Dr. McGrew unwittingly admits that back in the first century, the pagans expected atmospheric portents to be associated with anybody claiming to be divine.  “Unusually long, portentious eclipses of the sun also take place, as when Caesar the dictator was slain; and in the war against Antony, the sun remained dim for nearly a year.” McGrew, quoting Pliny, Natural History 2.30, here.
  • Mark's goal, at least according to patristic sources that fundies are slow to question, was to give the requesting church a written version of apostle Peter's oral preaching. 
  • Mark likes the idea of showing how Jesus measures up to pagan expectations about divine men, Mark's Jesus similarly causes "darkness over the whole land" at his death, Mark 15:33.
  • Therefore, if Mark was writing to a Roman audience, indeed, if he had accompanied Peter often during the preaching tours as the patristric sources allege, Mark thus was likely aware that the Romans would be just as interested in Jesus' origins no less than they were interested in the origin of their own sons of the gods.
  • Therefore, Mark would likely find worthy to include in a gospel (intended for a Roman audience) any story about how Jesus came to earth, as long as he felt the story was true.  Salesman usually don't refrain from using their best evidence to make their case as convincing as possible.
  • Therefore it doesn't matter if he could still possibly have valid reasons to exclude it; the first reasonable expectation is not the exception, but the rule, and we are reasonable to insist that, without good evidence otherwise, Mark would have told his Roman audience the story of Jesus' conception IF Mark knew of and accepted that story as true.
  • Therefore, because Mark says nothing about the story of Jesus' conception, despite writing to an audience whose Roman nature implies selling them a god is much easier when accompanied by stories of his conception and his mother, it doesn't matter Mark "could have" had valid reasons to avoid using a powerful supporting proof for his claim that Jesus was a son of a god, we are reasonable to say Mark omits the story either because he didn't know about it, or thought it false.
  • If Mark omitted it because he didn't know about it, then generally agreeing with the fundies that he wrote around 60 a.d., then Mark's ignorance of the virgin birth "truth" thus persists for more than 25 years.  Yes, it is "possible" that somebody with such constant unfettered access to the apostles as Mark, could somehow miraculously just "never hear" about that story, but it's not likely.
  • Fundies are naturally slow to question patristic stories of the apostles, and Papias said Mark "omitted nothing" of what he heard, so assuming the reliability Papias/Eusebius, as fundies would have it, Mark wasn't "omitting" anything when leaving out the virgin birth story, anymore than he was "omitting" mention of Hitler.  His gospel reflects ALL that Peter preached, even if only in condensed form.  Dr. Bauckham is wrong to pretend Papias' "omit nothing" phrase is mere literary convention, Papias mentions this trait of Mark in a context mentioning other traits that fundies say are literally true about Mark and his gospel (i.e., that Mark doesn't write about events in proper chronological fashion or "order") so it is likely that "omit nothing" was meant to describe the nature of Mark's writing in reality, and thus isn't Papias' choice to use mere literary convention. Papias doesn't ascribe "omit nothing" to the other gospel author he mentions (Matthew), so "omit nothing" is a real uniqueness of Mark's gospel.
  • It hardly needs to be spelled out why Mark's omitting the virgin birth story because he thought it false, would be the equal of running a jumbo jet into the inerrancy house of cards.  One NT author thought the virgin birth story was false?  Not a happy day.
As you can see, it doesn't matter that there continue to exist trifling possibilities that, if proven true, would render this argument from Mark's silence invalid.  The person who wins the history debate shows their theory to be more probable or likely than the theory they disagree with.  They do not win by merely positing possibilities (otherwise, because its possible that Jesus didn't rise from the dead, skeptics win the resurrection debate) or by insisting that their opponent must smack all other possibilities all the way out of the ballpark of conceivable options before the surviving theory can be held with reasonable confidence.


Here's another argument to justify skepticism, again, from Mark's silence:  Mark and Matthew often tell the same story in very similar wording, which raises thorny questions about those instances where they tell the same story with otherwise unexpected omissions or differences.  Peter’s confession at Caesarea Philippi is a striking case in point:


“Messiah”?  or “Messiah, Son of the living God”?
Mark 8
Matthew 16
 27 Jesus went out, along with His disciples, to the villages of Caesarea Philippi;

and on the way He questioned His disciples, saying to them, "Who do people say that I am?"

  28 They told Him, saying, "John the Baptist; and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets."
  
 29 And He continued by questioning them, "But who do you say that I am?"


Peter answered and said to Him,
"You are the Christ."




 (omitted!)














  30 And He warned them to tell no one about Him.

 31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must 

suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes,
13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi,


He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"


 14 And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets."

 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"

 
 16 Simon Peter answered,
"You are the Christ,

the Son of the living God."

 17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

 18 "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

 19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

 20 Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ.

21 From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and

suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.


Why does Mark leave unexpressed the lengthy and theologically significant answer Jesus gives to Peter, as seen in Matthew's version?  The argument from silence would go like this:
  • If Mathew is accurate, then Jesus really did give the answer Matthew portrays.   Since then the option of Matthew's embellishment would then be off the table, Mark really is "omitting" something here, contra Eusebius/Papias who insist Mark "omitted nothing".
  • The longer version of Jesus' reply contains theologically significant teaching.  Doesn't matter if an author can consciously choose to omit important teaching, we normally don't expect them to do so without good reasons for believing they intended to so omit.  You could possibly consciously choose to take no food or liquids with you as you race to rescue family members thirsting and starving to death in the desert, but without good explanation otherwise, the more reasonable expectation is that you'd take along food and water.  Remember, Peter did not preach merely to Romans, he also preached to Jews, so the problem of the unlikelihood of Peter "choosing to exclude" evidence that he was specially empowered by Christ to decide disputes, remains.
  • We reasonably expect that Peter would have found important the extra words of Jesus reported in Matthew's version, as they seem to bequeath a special, even if not exclusive, power on specifically Peter.
  • Peter would not likely "choose to exclude" words of Jesus that give Peter any special type of status or authority.  People don't normally choose to omit mention of accolades from their bosses; for as humans, they desire recognition and respect if they actually hold a position of authority.  Most people display proofs that third-parties have approved of them, we don't normally destroy such things or keep them hidden.
  • If the patristic sources are generally accurate in describing Mark as Peter's companion, then we are reasonable to conclude that when Peter preached this incident to unbelievers, Mark was there and heard Peter utter the longer version of Jesus' reply as found in Matthew's version.
  • The competing theory is a possibility but yet an absurdity of improbability, namely, that Mark might have had a valid reason for consciously choosing to exclude from his Petrine gospel that part of Jesus' reply to Peter that is critically important to the nature and scope of apostolic authority.  yeah right, and maybe I'll write a book someday entitled "The Sexual Scandals of the Clinton Presidency" and "choose to exclude" any mention of Monica Lewinsky?  FUCK YOU.
 I therefore conclude that the reason the longer version of Jesus' answer is missing from Mark's account is because Jesus never said it.  The long version seen in Matthew originated from nowhere else except Matthew's mind.

Once again, it doesn't matter that other possibilities will always exist.  Historiography was never a science in the first place, but an art, there is plenty of room to be reasonable with this argument from Mark's silence, even if it's accuracy falls short of infallible proof.

How many things do you believe are true, but whose falsity remains at least a possibility?
Bigfoot is a genuine cryptid
Bigfoot is a hoax
Space aliens are real.
Space aliens are fake.
Man is a dichotomy
Man is a trichotomy
Premillenialism is biblical.
Premillenialism is not biblical. 
The zombie resurrection of Matthew 27:52 is real history
The zombie resurrection of Matthew 127:52 is only apocalyptic symbolism
God wants you to take this job.
God doesn't want you to take this job.
God wants you to have kids.
God doesn't want you to have kids.
If the mere "possibility" that your views on these matters could be wrong, doesn't slow you down from holding the beliefs you do with reasonable confidence, how can you seriously say that the mere possibility that Mark could have had valid reasons for knowingly excluding historically valid material , "smashes" the above-argument from Mark's silence?

Can you marshal as much evidence for your theory about Mark's silences, as I have done for my theories about his silences, supra?   It doesn't look like it, since what is either known about Mark, or what fundies believe about Mark, supports my theory of his silence far more than any "he-knew-about-it-and-thought-it-true-but-still-didn't-want-to-mention-it" theory.

In conclusion, there are good reasons to say these skeptical theories of Mark's ommisions are reasonable, the evidence in support of the alternative theories isn't enough to render the skeptical theory unreasonable, and therefore, the reasonableness of the skeptical theory cannot be disturbed on current evidence.

Thus, the existing criteria for the argument from silence are sufficient to make the skeptical position on these matters sufficiently grounded as to remain "reasonable" even in light of fundamentalist Christian attempts to refute them or favor more some alternative explanation for Mark's silences.  The reasonableness cannot be deemed to disappear merely because historiography is an art, and there must always exist metaphysical possibility that testimony can be understood in a different way.


Cold Case Christianity: Why a Christian Response Needs to Be Different Than a Mormon Response


This is my reply to an article by J. Warner Wallace entitled




I regularly get the opportunity to train groups of high school students in preparation for Berkeley Missions trips. These students spend four to eight weeks learning about the evidence supporting the Christian worldview and examining many of the most popular objections to Christianity.
 That's not very wise.  Public representatives of Christ shouldn't be youths who pretend to be doing battle with Satan.  They more than likely don't have the spiritual maturity necessary to keep safe from the subtleties of the greatest of the liars. 

And contrary to what you might think, your bible tells you that Satan is a master deceiver. Your impressing spiritual babies with your one-dollar apologetics crap is not going to adequately prepare them for spiritual warfare, which is what the NT says is really going on when Christians witness for Christ.

By the way, there is zero NT precedent for equipping children to defend the gospel.  You are just blindly assuming, without evidence or argument, that Jude 3 applies to kids just as much as it applies to adults.  Common sense says because Satan has America strongly deceived, the person who chooses to go battle with the prince of darkness probably needs to have just a bit more spiritual maturity and theological knowledge than what your 60-second answers can stuff into the underdeveloped brains of teenagers.

You may say teens were considered not kids but adults in the 1st century, but your problem is what your teen audience is like TODAY.  TODAY, teens are not as mature as they were centuries ago when the world's sins weren't being flashed into their brains ever second of the day, as happens in today's sick consumerist America. 

Paul didn't even think certain adults should be publicly taught:
 34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
 35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. (1 Cor. 14:34-35 NAU)
But if modern American Christianity is correct about equal rights for women, then this is one of those bible verses that doesn't apply to you today because the culture has changed.  That's foolish, of course, as nothing in the context expresses or implies that Paul's comment there was only made out of regard for the particular Corinthian culture.  Consistent with Paul's other teachings, Paul did not believe women should be taught publicly, any known exceptions merely proving the general rule.  Women in the first century also were generally disallowed from speaking in the synagogue, so viewing Paul here as a mysoginist is at least more reasonable than the transparently hollow "cultural" interpretation that gets rid of this bothersome requirement.

But for now the point is that if Paul thought even some adults should not be publicly taught, it is fairly certain that he also wouldn't approve of publicly teaching religion to children (i.e., spiritual babies).  Why?  Because such people can ask hard questions and turn the public lesson into the forbidden "wrangling of words" which Paul said harms everybody else that might be present (2nd Timothy 2:14).
When we are early in the process, I begin by asking the students to tell me why they are Christians in the first place.
 And if your spiritual warriors were honest with themselves and with you, they'd have admitted that their having grown up in the faith, or having done the church thing because their friend invited them to start becoming involved in church life, was a major motivating factor.  Sorry, but genuine salvation requires genuine remorse, and it's a rare teen that truly feels guilty, and even rareer is the teen who is trying to feel guilty about transgressing something written in an ancient holy book.  They have a hard enough time feeling guilty about transgressing modern-day law! 
I spent most of my life convinced theism was little more than a useful delusion, and I only became a believer after examining the evidence for the eyewitness reliability of the New Testament Gospels.
I spent 15 years of my young adult life convinced Christianity was the only true religion, and I only became an atheist after examining the evidence for the eyewitness authorship of the New Testament Gospels (among other developments).  Go ahead, google it:  there are scores of atheist bible critics who honestly admit that back when they were Christians, it was when they started doing more scholarly studies in biblical issues, that their faith started wavering.
As a result, when people ask me why I am a Christian today, I briefly outline the evidence I found persuasive.
 Objectivity would demand that you also admit you are a salesman, and you like the whole idea of selling Jesus for profit without paying taxes, an enterprise wherein you ironically make yourself the center of the discussion while trying to convince people that they should fix their gaze only upon Jesus.
With one group of students, however, when I asked the students to tell me why they were Christians, I didn’t get a single evidential response. Most had difficulty answering the question at all, and those who did sounded like members of the Mormon Church.
 An excellent reason for you to identify such "Christians" as spiritually immature at best, and in no condition to be "equipped to defend the gospel", given that the NT describes this not as an intellectual exercise, but as doing battle with the most dark force in the cosmos.  If you wouldn't give a baby a shotgun...
I didn’t know a lot of Christians growing up; I was surrounded by atheists and Mormon family members. I have six fantastic half-brothers and sisters who were raised in the LDS (Latter Day Saints) Church. Many are still committed to Mormonism and happy to share their faith. But if you ask them why they are believers, you’ll get many of the same answers I received with the high school students in the Berkeley training. “I prayed about it and God confirmed it was true,”
You are not so subtley implying that mere prayer is insufficient to achieve salvation or other Christian objectives.  The NT disagrees with your shit-attitude:
 16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. (Jas. 5:16 NAU)

Will you trifle that because James said this in the context of healing, that therefore, the effective fervent prayer of a righteous man doesn't accomplish much when directed toward other issues?

Wallace continues:
“I have a relationship with God and I feel His presence,”
 Subjective feelings of god's presence are legitimized by the bible:
 13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. (Rom. 15:13 NAU)
 Wallace continues:
“I had a strong experience that changed my life,”
That sort of shit is also biblical:
  2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. (Rom. 12:2 NAU)

 9 But if I say, "I will not remember Him Or speak anymore in His name," Then in my heart it becomes like a burning fire Shut up in my bones; And I am weary of holding it in, And I cannot endure it. (Jer. 20:9 NAU)
 Wallace continues:
“I just know it is true,”
 Subjective feelings of certitude, which are not easily explained to others, is also biblical:
  26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; (Rom. 8:26 NAU)
  14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. (1 Cor. 14:14 NAU)
 Wallace continues:
“I was raised in the Church and I’ve never had a reason to question it; God has always been a part of my life,”
 Being a Christian because that's always been what your family was involved in, is biblical:
1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Eph. 6:1 NAU)

 1 It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do.
 2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.
 4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (1 Tim. 3:1-4 NAU)

Wallace continues:
“I know it’s true because my life is very different now.”
Any morally good difference counts as a biblically justified excuse to believe one is saved:
  17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. (2 Cor. 5:17 NAU)
Wallace continues:
These are all great responses and I want to be careful not to minimize the importance or validity of experiential evidence. But when I heard these kinds of answers offered as justification by the Christian students in our group, I asked them: “Do you believe Mormonism is true?” Many of these students had already been on the Utah Missions trip, so they understood the dramatic difference between the claims of Mormonism and the claims of Christianity. They all confirmed they did not believe Mormonism was true and immediately recognized the problem with their responses.
Then they also recognized the problem with the bible verses that justify their subjective beliefs, supra.
The manner in which they had been measuring and evaluating their beliefs about God was insufficient.
Which can only mean you do not think the Holy Spirit moves in Christians today, unless they demonstrate the empirical validity of their beliefs.  Sorry, that's not in the spirit of 1st century Christianity.  That's in the spirit of some modern evangelical who didn't notice that making everything into an "argument" leaves no room to attribute reasonable significance to the Holy Spirit's alleged invisible convicting-work.  According to you, the Holy Spirit does do anything when a Christian is testifying...unless the Christian can demonstrate satisfaction of modern-day criteria for authenticating historical documents.  If the age of miracles has passed, that's your problem, and it likely means a) Acts is no longer a good blueprint for the church of today, and b) this deficiency in Acts has probably gone unnoticed by most Christians who "believe the bible".
None of them had ever examined the evidence for Christianity.
Which creates for you a problematic possibility that the reason they came to Christ without apologetics is because the Holy Spirit actually doesn't need apologetics to do what he does...which would mean god needs you and your arguments about as much as you need Pepsi.
They were what I refer to as “Accidental Christians,” holding the correct and true view of the world, without actually knowing why it was the correct and true view of the world.
And unless you condemn that way of salvation, the fact that they became genuinely born again, unrelated to apologetics, proves that the Holy Spirit is much less interested in apologetics than you are. 
In all the years I’ve been in the midst of Mormon believers (both in my family and on the streets of Utah as a missionary) I’ve never once encountered a Mormon believer who told me he or she was a Mormon because of the evidence.
Which ought to tell you how deceptive religious faith can be.  No evidence is never a problem.  Where there's a will, there's a way, even if it doesn't involve evidence.  And by your own testimony, such clouded thinking is even found in abundance in the typical mainstream Protestant churches which you personally believe are the closest thing to real Christianity on earth today.
It’s never happened. Mormonism cannot be supported by the historical evidence, especially when examined through the template I use for eyewitness reliability.
 True, but you cannot pretend the problems with the various different versions of Joe Smith's first vision, are substantially greater than the differences between the 4 gospels.  What's more likely, that Mark thought telling the readers how Jesus called the original disciples into service (Mark 1) was more important than what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount?  Nah, Mark didn't "knowingly exclude" the Sermon on the Mount.  He leaves it out more than likely because he didn't know Jesus said any such thing.  And since Mark's ignorance was manifested this way when he wrote the gospel 25 years after Jesus died, his omission of the Sermon on the Mount and preference for other less significant stories is a bastard of a headache for inerrantists to "fix".
Christianity, however, is supported by the historical facts and can hold up under fair scrutiny.
Not if my argument against Jesus' resurrection is considered.
When young believers are challenged in their university years, they will undoubtedly be questioned about their “epistemology” (their “theory of knowledge”). They’ll be asked not only about what they believe, but why and how they came to believe it.
 Which should not bother them if they know their bible, since the bible doesn't condemn or sideline the validity of completely subjective experience the way today's Christian apologists do....and I draw the further conclusion that because Christian apologetics virtually obliterates the significance of completely subjective experience, this is where it deviates from NT teachings.  Not saying the NT never requires apologetics, but only that those parts clash with the parts that justify inward feelings of salvation.

I draw a final conclusion that if God really was god and had the magic fairy dust Ezra 1:1 says he has, then the best explanation for passages like Jude 3 would be completely naturalistic (i.e., god not only doesn't "need" you to give arguments, he likely doesn't even "want" you to give arguments).  Sure, you can learn spiritual maturity by learning apologetics, but God can infuse the same into you by waving his Ezra 1:1 magic wand.  If God wants to draw a family closer to him, he doesn't have to stand aside and allow a pedophile to rape their little girl to death and plunge the family into lifetime depression...he can just do his Ezra 1:1 wand-waving and that family will do or believe whatever he wants them to do or believe. 

In the last analysis, the requirement to argue the case for Christ sounds more like what naturalistic men with false religion would require, not what a truly sovereign god would require.  Your god is like the stupid dad who allows his young son to play with a chain saw and endure amputation, because dad thinks this extreme accident will work a greater good in the future and help keep his son humble when he grows up.  FUCK YOU.
That’s why our answers have to be more than subjective; we must be prepared to make a defense to everyone who asks us to give an account for the hope that is in us (1 Peter 3:15), using objective evidence, just as Jesus often did.
 Nevermind the fact that the need to do apologetics, as expressed in such passages, clashes with the fact that God could get anybody to believe anything he wanted with a wave of his magic Ezra 1:1 wand, and in doing so, preempt the vast majority, if not ALL, of the sin in the world thereby.    So your god is sort of like the stupid man who fulfills his sexual desires by raping little girls instead of having consensual sex with adult women.  He does things the stupid wasteful hurtful hard way that violates basic common sense, then demands that we stop asking questions when we notice what an unfair cocksucker he really is. Well fuck you, I'm asking questions and I won't be stopping anytime soon.  I allow no exceptions for the big invisible man who lives in the sky and has an eternal inability to properly manage money.
Our responses, as Christians, need to be very different than the responses offered by Mormons if we hope to influence a skeptical world and have the confidence necessary to survive in an ever more hostile cultural environment.
 Correct, because if YOU don't do anything, God certainly isn't going to do anything.   Somebody either learns apologetics, or God cannot accomplished his salvific goals in the world.
Clearly, the kinds of responses our Mormon friends and family members might offer are insufficient, because they ignore the objective evidence we, as Christians, would cite to demonstrate the falsity of Mormonism.
 While Mormonism is ultimately false, you've gone too far here.  If you don't think so, introduce your spiritual babies to organizations dedicated to demonstrating the historical and theological accuracy of the book of Mormon, such as

https://www.shields-research.org/
https://www.fairmormon.org/

 Some Christian scholars admit mormon scholarship is becoming more and more formidable:
Our fourth conclusion is that at the academic level evangelicals are losing the debate with the Mormons. We are losing the battle and do not know it. In recent years the sophistication and erudition of LDS apologetics has risen considerably while evangelical responses have not.4 Those who have the skills necessary for this task rarely demonstrate an interest in the issues. Often they do not even know that there is a need. In large part this is due entirely to ignorance of the relevant literature.
 Source here.

Dr. James White is one of the more intellectual of the Christian apologists, and yet he took a rather brutal beating from a mormon scholar in an extended debate about the OT and monotheism. See
http://www.shields-research.org/Critics/A-O_01b.html



Wallace continues:
Why then, would we, as Christian believers, take a similar approach to defending our own faith?
 Maybe because the NT supports the wholly subjective experience thing just as much as it does the "apologetics" approach?
We can offer so much more if we are only willing to familiarize ourselves with the evidence.
 But more is not always better. Suggest you read Michah 6:8.
Our responses, as Christians, need to be very different than the responses offered by Mormons if we hope to influence a skeptical world and have the confidence necessary to survive in an ever more hostile cultural environment.
 No doubt because the Holy Spirit is helpless without human beings.

Wednesday, February 27, 2019

Dr. Lydia McGrew's errors in defending the empty tomb

This is my reply to a review article by Christian scholar Dr. Timothy McGrew, entitled

Skeptical objections to the historicity of the Gospel narratives are numerous. They are also, for the most part, old news.
But not quite as old as the New Testament.
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Michael Alter’s book The Resurrection: A Critical Inquiry (2015) is certainly long enough to seem imposing, and somewhat to my surprise it has thrown my acquaintance V. J. Torley into a bit of a tailspin. Torley has written a very long, detailed, glowing review of Alter’s book -- a review that is practically a monograph in its own right -- in which he claims that the book is a “bombshell” that “demolishes Christian apologists’ case for the resurrection.”
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Torley rejects the story that there was a guard at the tomb for the following four reasons:

A. It is mentioned only in Matthew’s Gospel, not in the other three.

B. This account fails to explain why the body could not have been stolen on Friday night.

C. We are not told why Pilate would agree to the Jewish leaders’ request. In particular:

1. The request concerned a purely religious matter, and we would not expect Pilate to care much about such things
2. Pilate had just been pressured into ordering Jesus’ crucifixion, and therefore any further request would be unlikely to meet with a favorable reception

D. The Jewish rulers would not have made such a request of Pilate, since a gentile employed by a Jew would not be allowed to work on the Sabbath.

Let us consider these reasons in turn.

First, only Matthew’s Gospel mentions the setting of a guard at Jesus’ tomb. It is not clear how much weight Torley intends this fact to bear by itself. But as the argument from silence in such cases is generally terribly weak, it is hard to see why it should be significant just here. Many of the events of antiquity crop up in only one source.
And unfortunately for you, nobody is intellectually "compelled" to think that trusting the singular uncorroborated source is "reasonable".  When an ancient fact comes to us by way of an uncorroborated singular source, you are a fool to pretend the fact is "established" or that the burden shifts to the skeptic to "disprove" it.

Furthermore, if the empty tomb was the major apologetic used by the apostles as you think, then there is legitimate room for skepticism, to wit, why wouldn't the other gospel authors have found this evidence for the empty tomb worthy of mention?  Peter allegedly refers to the empty tomb (Acts 2:29-32), and if as a conservative you believe Peter's preaching was the basis for Mark's gospel, then why doesn't Mark mention this story of the guards being employed to prevent grave robbers?
The conditions that have to be met for an argument from silence to be strong are rather stringent and are rarely met in historical work. (For details, see my paper “The Argument from Silence,” Acta Analytica 29 (2014), 215-28.)
I overcame that objection:  If your assumption that Peter is the basis for Mark's gospel be correct, then we would not expect Mark to "choose to exclude" the part of Peter's alleged preaching that refers to the empty tomb.  Had Mark known about the guard at the tomb, this would have made the empty tomb seem more miraculous and he wouldn't have likely excluded it.  You are not going to show that skeptics are unreasonable in this, particularly because of the scholarship that is against Peter being a major source of Mark's gospel, and because of the scholarship that views the speeches in Acts as nuggets of historical truth that are laced with the author's own perspective, so that to what degree the speeches in Acts reflect or don't reflect on the alleged apostle being quoted, is impossible to determine with any reasonable degree of certainty.  All we need do as skeptics is show that your own presupposition of Petrine influence over Mark creates a presumption that Mark would both have heard about, and wished to record for posterity, Peter's focus on the reality of the empty tomb, a point Mark would find more forceful in the context of a story of about guards making sure nobody could steal the body.  You lose.

And since it appears the chief scribes insisted Jesus was possessed by a demon and misleading Israel (Matthew 12:24), it is highly unlikely they'd allow somebody they consider a dangerous blasphemer the dignity of a proper burial.  If they seriously feared the disciples might conspire to steal the body from a tomb, they would have recognized that throwing Jesus' dead body to the dogs, as was customary anyway, would make it far more difficult for the disciples to later claim he rose from the dead. 
As Torley has not attempted to argue that the silence of the other evangelists meets the probabilistic challenge laid out there, I will not belabor the point.

Second, Torley objects that the account does not explain why the body could not have been stolen on Friday night. In making this objection, he assumes that the request was made on Saturday morning. For the moment, suppose it was; even so, the objection has little force. There are simply too many plausible ways for the rulers to fail to make the request on Friday. Pilate might have left pointed instructions that he wasn’t to be bothered further that evening. The Jewish leaders might have left someone of their own to keep an eye on the tomb overnight. Failing that, they might still have thought that it would be better than nothing to have a guard set for the remainder of the time period specified.
 Do you allow skeptics to get rid of problems through similarly unsubstantiated speculation?
But it is not even clear from the text that the request was made on Saturday. The Jews reckoned the beginning of the Sabbath with sundown on Friday, so for all the text says, they may have made the request on Friday evening as soon as they ascertained the location of Jesus’ body. In his work The Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, According to the Four Evangelists (London: J. Hatchard and Son, 1827), Johann David Michaelis argues that the language of Matthew, with its peculiar turn of phrase (ἥτις ἐστὶν μετὰ τὴν Παρασκευήν, hardly necessary after Τῇ δὲ ἐπαύριον unless something more specific than the generic succession of days is intended) actually indicates that the request was made just past sundown on Friday:

    Literally translated, on the following day, which is after Friday. As it is self-evident that one day must follow another, and it requires no author to tell us this, the meaning is, “on the following day, immediately after the end of Friday,” or in other words, immediately after sunset, with which, according to the custom of the Jews, the day ends, and the sabbath begins. This mode of speaking seems singular in Greek, but in Hebrew, from the same word [ערב] signifying “evening,” “holy evening,” or, as we should say, “vespers,” it becomes more intelligible. The meaning is, that from an apprehension the body might be stolen in the night, they did not wait until the following morning, they went immediately to Pilate that same evening, which now no longer belonged to Friday, but formed part of the sabbath, and requested a guard. [100; cf. the German edition, 83]
I don't see the point, the story says Joseph and whoever might have been with him put Jesus' body in the tomb then sealed the entrance, then left...leaving the reader with the impression that the tomb was left unguarded for a certain amount of time:
 59 And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
 60 and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away.
 61 And Mary Magdalene was there, and the other Mary, sitting opposite the grave.
 62 Now on the next day, the day after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate,
 63 and said, "Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I am to rise again.'
 64 "Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, otherwise His disciples may come and steal Him away and say to the people, 'He has risen from the dead,' and the last deception will be worse than the first."
 65 Pilate said to them, "You have a guard; go, make it as secure as you know how."
 66 And they went and made the grave secure, and along with the guard they set a seal on the stone. (Matt. 27:59-28:1 NAU)
 It doesn't matter how small a time-window you try to make between Joseph leaving the tomb and the guards arriving later.  Two followers of Jesus were present at the tomb watching when Jesus was buried therein, so they knew where it was (v. 61), and they would more than likely tell the disciples as long as you insist such women trusted in Jesus.  How much time would be required, at minimum, for the women to tell the disciples where the body was, then for the disciples to arrive, roll away the stone and steal the body?  12 hours?  Obviously not.
Various other New Testament scholars, not all of them conservative (Doddridge, Paulus, Kuinoel, Thorburn) concur in Michaelis’s analysis. Meyer dissents, but without adducing any reasons other than his disagreement with these authorities regarding the meaning of the expression τῇ ἐπαύριον. He does not engage with Michaelis’s point regarding the parallel Hebrew expression [ממחרת ערב השבת] at all.
Hagner says the body was unguarded over Friday night:
The security of tombs was important enough to have become the subject of a Roman imperial edict between 50 b.c. and a.d. 50 (see Metzger). Since this strategy was not formulated until “the next day” (v. 62), the tomb in fact remained unguarded over Friday night. As R. E. Brown (Death of the Messiah, 1309, n. 53) rightly points out, however, the guard would hardly have sealed the tomb without first checking to see if the body was there. If Matthew created this story ex nihilo, however, it is more likely that he would have had the guard posted immediately after the interment (rightly, Carson).
n. note
Hagner, D. A. (2002). Vol. 33B: Word Biblical Commentary : Matthew 14-28. Word Biblical Commentary (Page 863). Dallas: Word, Incorporated.
 Hagner tries to rescue the situation by saying the guards would have likely checked to make sure the body was still there, but my reply is that if we are to believe the guards could be bribed to tell an unbelievbable lie that would have them executed for dereliction of duty (the disciples stole him while we were asleep, Matthew 28:13), they were certainly amenable to being bribed by the wealthy Joseph of Arimathea (Matthew 27:57) to avoid looking in the tomb and falsely report that yes, they confirmed the body was still there before sealing the tomb.

And let's not forget that even Licona thinks the zombie resurrection of 27:52 is apocalyptic imagery, and so this Matthew-author was not beyond mixing fact with fantasy, something he also appears to be doing with the angel and lightning crap in 28:2-3.
The second objection, then, is either very weak (if Michaelis is wrong) or completely misguided (if he is right). This is hardly the sort of reasoning that should lead us to discard a contemporaneous narrative account of a public event.
 Sorry, but I'm already justified to dismiss ANY reported miracle account if it appears to be the work of later editors embellishing what might be something written by the original author.  Especially one from 2,000 years ago, when there is at least a 150 year textually dark period where god-only-knows what changes were being made to the alleged original stories.  You do not get the upper hand here by blindly presuming that skeptics have to refute an ancient embellished account on the merits before they can be reasonable to reject it.
The third objection is that Matthew’s narrative does not tell us why Pilate would acquiesce in the request of the Jewish leaders. On the face of it, this is a very odd way to object to historical evidence. Many narratives recount events without affording us an explanation for them, and sometimes we are left to guess what that explanation might be. So what?

But perhaps this problem is just a matter of wording; perhaps the real objection is that the two considerations Torley mention are supposed to make it unlikely that Pilate would grant a guard at the tomb. Is it so?

The first consideration is that Pilate, as a secular authority dealing exclusively with non-religious matters, would have had no reason to grant a request of this sort -- perhaps also that the Jewish leaders would not have had the temerity to put it to him. But this consideration misses the mark entirely. The matter of Jesus’ death, though of religious importance to the Jewish rulers, had far wider ramifications. An imposture might well raise civil trouble in Jerusalem, particularly as it was swollen at this time with hundreds of thousands (Josephus, Jewish War 2.14.3 (Loeb #280), estimates three million) of Passover pilgrims. Jesus’ popularity with the crowds was well known. Unrest at Passover had led to disastrous results within living memory, notably on the death of Herod the Great, as Josephus describes in his Antiquities 17.9.3 (Loeb #213-18). Preventing civil unrest lay squarely within Pilate’s sphere of responsibility. On this count, the matter is exactly the sort of thing we would expect the Jewish rulers to request of Pilate. It is a mark of authenticity rather than of inauthenticity.
 Not true; if Jesus really was as popular with the crowds as the gospels say, Pilate would have known that Jesus was claiming to be a higher authority than Pilate, and as such Pilate would have likely found tossing Jesus' body to the dogs as a disgrace and deterrent to future-likeminded saviors, a more attractive social policy than allow him the dignity of a decent burial...especially if he had the least bit of concern the disciples would try to steal the body. 
The second consideration is that Pilate, whom the Jewish leadership had (according to the Gospels) maneuvered into having Jesus crucified against his own better judgment, would have been unlikely to grant them a further request. This point deserves close consideration, because it has a significance that has escaped Torley and Alter. According to the Gospel narratives, Pilate did not believe Jesus had done anything worthy of death.
 And that part of the trial transcript is total bullshit, since not only did Jesus make it clear that he was a higher authority than Rome, but that he was the "messiah" whom the Jews expected to free them from foreign occupation, and even after three years of hearing this first hand from the horses' mouth, the disciples still understand him to be a military conqueror (Acts 1:6), and Jesus' answer doesn't deny the legitimacy of their question, but simply says they don't need to know this (v. 7).  You cannot deny that it is reasonable to infer from these passages either that the disciples were unbelievably stupid...or Jesus had taught them for three prior years that yes, he would be freeing the Jews from Roman rule.  Either way, Pilate's allegedly finding Jesus innocent of the charge of blasphemy or sedition rings false....therefore he likely thought Jesus guilty as charged, and would thus find a dishonorable method of corpse disposal that was already in use (using it as carrion) would serve more of the purpose he sought to serve in having Jesus die by crucifixion, which was also dishonoring.

Whatever the case, skeptics cannot be called unreasonable merely because they call Matthew a liar.  That's your problem, Dr. McGrew, your religion requires you to defend just anything and everything these gospel authors say.  That's a requirement of your religious dedication, not a requirement of historiography.
He allowed the Jews to have their way on this matter only because he feared that they would send a twisted version of events to Rome, destabilizing his governorship and perhaps leading to his being recalled in disgrace. For the sake of their argument, Alter and Torley need to grant at least this much authenticity to the Gospel narratives. In a subsequent post, I will return to this point, as it substantially undermines a claim that Torley and others have made in support of the second and third objections.

But the consideration is relevant here only if there is no other reason that Pilate might have felt moved to grant such a request. And even assuming that Pilate was thoroughly unhappy with the Jewish leaders by this time, such a reason lies ready to hand. The theft of a body and proclamation that the individual in question was alive was the sort of scenario a Roman governor under Tiberius could not safely ignore.

Some sixteen years earlier, one Clemens, a slave of Caesar Augustus’s grandson Agrippa Postumus, stole the ashes and bones of his murdered master and spread the rumor that Agrippa had in fact escaped the attempt on his life. As he resembled his dead master in age and physique, he went so far as to impersonate him in some of the towns at twilight. Tiberius, who had become sole emperor after the death of his adopted father Augustus in that very year, feared a conspiracy and had Clemens apprehended, interrogated, and slain in a private part of his palace. (See Tacitus, Annals 2.39-40.)

So this second consideration, as well, turns out not only to pose no problem for the authenticity of the narrative but actually to be a point in its favor. These are the sorts of details that modern critics, even those professing to examine historical matters very minutely, are apt to overlook because they are not intimately familiar with the historical context.
  Which is precisely why denying Joe's request for Jesus' body and requiring it to be used as carrion which was the usual method of corpse-disposal anyway, has greater historical plausibility.  Pilate would have known that following the normal procedure here would more effectively preempt false claims about Jesus' resurrection, than if he allowed the body to be disposed by proper burial in a way that removed it from his custody for a while.
The fourth objection is that the Jewish leaders would not have asked Pilate to set a guard at the tomb, since it was the Sabbath day, and Jewish law would have forbidden them to hire a gentile to do such work on the Sabbath. Yet again, the objection seems to me to be fundamentally misguided, and in two ways. First, even supposing the objection to be fairly stated, there is no guarantee that the Jewish authorities would be particularly scrupulous in the matter of hiring a Roman guard to do their work, as they had already shown their willingness to hold a trial by night in prima facie violation of their own rules.
 But the kangaroo court details provided by Matthew are also unbelievable.  Your argument might impress those who already trust in Matthew's historical reliability, but nobody else.
But as it happens, the text does not bear out the idea that they were hiring anyone.
 Gee, the bible doesn't tell you so?
Rather, they were making a request to Pilate, as the civil governor, that he would secure the tomb with a guard. Nothing in Jewish law as interpreted at the time would prevent them from making such a request.
 But again, it is not likely they'd make such a request, because it isn't likely that Pilate would have found Jesus innocent.  He'd have found Jesus guilty and a major threat to civil order that insisting on crucifixion and using the body as carrion in a common grave would more strongly address the problem.  The whole idea that Jesus was given a decent burial is total bullshit.

And if you think the the creed of 1st Corinthians 15:3-4 goes all the way back to the first Sunday after Jesus was crucified, remember that while Paul was alive, false rumors about him spread like wildfire throughout the Jewish faction of the church.  Acts 21:18-24.  Sorry, Dr. McGrew, but false rumors could easily, and actually did, arise at a very early stage.  And nothing in the NT indicates that the Jewish church ever gave up belief in this "false" rumor about Paul, showing that if a false rumor did take hold, it had a lot of staying power even despite efforts of the people at issue to dispel it.
I conclude that on the first point, Alter’s argument, as summarized by Torley, completely fails to undermine the credibility Matthew’s account of the setting of a guard at the tomb where Jesus had just been buried.
 Wouldn't matter if you were correct, you are falsely assuming that Matthew's account stands as reliable historical evidence unless and until it is refuted on the merits. That's just a fancy way of saying everything in the bible must be presumed true unless skeptics can prove it false.  Sorry, that's not how historiography works.  Especially when the sources are ancient, some of them changed each other's testimony, we don't know how much of it goes back to the original authors and how much is just the embellishment of later authors, etc, etc. If you were being prosecuted in a court of law for murder, on the basis of written testimony that was equally as textually questionable as the gospels, you'd be screaming your head off that this evidence is not sufficient to justify a jury finding you guilty.  You'd also be objecting that the witness's telling supernatural stories makes the testimony inherently implausible.
Indeed, some of the particular considerations raised against that account are actually points that count on the other side, showing a minute consistency with the historical context and recent historical events that have escaped the notice of these critics.

In my subsequent posts, I will examine Torley’s two remaining challenges.

[UPDATE: See the comments thread below for an argument of Torley's on a related point.]

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Dr. McGrew,

Do you (or anyone else of note) attribute any credence to the idea that Pilate’s “you have a guard. Secure it the best you can.” Was a refusal after all. In other words Pilate was sarcastically reminding the Jews that they should use the Temple guard, which Roman oversight had allowed them to maintain. This is after Morris, I believe.

I’ve always been a fan of the “use your own guard and stop bothering me” hypothesis, if only for it’s fun contrarian elan. Is it completely unsupportable in your view?

Posted by Kevin. Wells | February 24, 2019 5:41 PM

Kevin,
I'm ambivalent about that point. It could be correct. But later, the guards seem to be in particular danger from the Roman authorities, and the Jewish leaders offer to run interference from them. That fact isn't decisive, but it does seem to point in the direction of their being a Roman guard.
Posted by Tim | February 24, 2019 6:30 PM
 But as we learn from other NT texts, the Roman leadership did not find the purely religious concerns of the Jews to be sufficiently important to justify expenditure of Roman resources in adjudicating them.  Gallio is unwilling to become involved in judging a Jew for allegedly violating Jewish laws, Acts 18:12-15.

Whether Pilate cared enough to assist the Jews with guards is a central factor in this dispute, yet you are "ambivalent" about it?  Is that because God's word is so clear and compelling?
A reader has pointed out that Torley has an additional argument, not against the setting of a guard at the tomb but to the story of what happened to the guards in the aftermath of the resurrection. Here is Torley's discussion, appearing after he has quoted John Wenham, in The Easter Enigma, as saying that the account "bristles with improbabilities":
    The aftermath is even more absurd: despite the fact that the penalty for guards falling asleep was crucifixion upside down, the guards agree to spread the totally implausible story that they all fell asleep on Sunday morning, and that none of them woke up while the disciples broke the seal of the tomb, rolled back the stone, and removed the body of Jesus!
    Nevertheless, Wenham is inclined to credit the story of the guard, precisely because it’s so full of obvious holes that he thinks no-one would have made it up in the first place. In reply, Alter suggests (2015, pp. 340-342) that the story was originally created in order to forestall an anti-Christian explanation for the empty tomb: maybe the reason why it was found empty is that Jesus’ body was stolen. To forestall that possibility, someone concocted a fictitious account of the Jewish priests going to Pilate and requesting a guard, in order to quell popular rumors that Jesus would rise from the dead on the third day. But that created a problem: if there were a guard at the tomb, then the women wouldn’t have been able to enter and find it empty. So in the story, the guard had to be gotten out of the way. This was done by inserting a terrifying apparition of an angel just before the women arrived at the tomb, causing the guards to fall into a dead faint, and conveniently providing the women with the opportunity to enter the tomb. And in order to explain why there was no public record of the guard seeing the angel remove the stone, the story of the guards being bribed into silence by the Jewish chief priests was invented. In short: the lameness of the guard story cannot be used to establish its authenticity. The story is an ad hoc creation, designed to forestall a common objection to the empty tomb accounts.
There is certainly something ad hoc going on in Alter's treatment of the matter, but the problem lies in the methodology Alter employs here rather than in the story as told in Matthew's Gospel. Start with a surmise -- "Maybe it didn't really happen." Faced with the fact that there isn't much reason to doubt it, make up a purely hypothetical motivation that someone might have had for inventing such a story: "Maybe Jesus' body really was stolen, and they had to create a cover story for that fact."
 What do you think prosecutors do every day when faced with a guilty Defendant who has provided a facially plausible alibi?  Do they dismiss charges?  No, they try to show that the ablibi is false by comparing it to other established facts and showing the alibi is unlikely to be true.  Call it what you want, but engaging in hypothesis to explain evidence is routine procedure in legal and historical analysis.
Faced with the further problem that this particular cover story is hardly what one would invent to answer to that hypothetical state of affairs and could easily be contradicted by people on the ground in Jerusalem who knew the guards,
See what I mean?  Not even YOU can escape from inventing speculations.
ignore the problem and instead double down on creating hypothetical rationales for other parts of the story. "The guards have to be gotten out of the way so the women can enter ..." Okay, why not just have Jesus' resurrection itself knock them out instead of resorting to the awkward fabrication of their falling asleep?
 Because people who lie often don't do so in a completely efficient and convincing fashion.  When people are determined to lie, they often find themselves being forced to reconcile their story with other known facts, and then at that point, they have to pile one lie on top of another.  After a while, their lie just sounds more and more implausible.

You are also overlooking the fact that Licona admits, that Matthew's authors wasn't beyond mixing fact with fiction.  Why not just have Jesus' resurreciton itself knock them out?  Because that wouldn't give them an opportunity to do what Jewish tale-bearers did in the first century, and accompany the alleged miracle with angelic visitations, that's why.
Simple questions like this suffice to show how specious such reasoning is. What historical narrative, however faithful, could not be dissolved (at least in the imagination of the critic) by the application of such methods?
That's your problem.  Historiography is an art, not a science.  Blame on the stupid god who had more desire for the Hittites and Egyptians to record matters on stone so that today's generations would have access to the actual originals...while he didn't want the Christians to document their "truths" this rigidly.
Torley expresses incredulity that Wenham argues from the improbabilities in the story (conceived as a story) that the best explanation for why it is told is that it was notoriously true. But in fact, this is a well-known pattern of argument that Aristotle discusses in his Rhetoric 2.23.21 (1400a):
    Another line of argument refers to things which are supposed to happen and yet seem incredible. We may argue that people could not have believed them, if they had not been true or nearly true: even that they are the more likely to be true because they are incredible. For the things which men believe are either facts or probabilities: if, therefore, a thing that is believed is improbable and even incredible, it must be true, since it is certainly not believed because it is at all probable or credible.
The other side of that coin is that because all miraculous events involve improbability, they are all true.  That's obvioiusly stupid, so you can only push the "truth stranger than fiction" cop-out so far.
The argument is an inference to the best explanation, so we may properly demur at Aristotle's saying that it must be true.
Then why don't you believe the Catholic miracles?  They are improbable, thus, they are true!
Nevertheless, it is not an unreasonable method of argumentation.
Granted, but that doesn't mean every improbable story is true, nor that you are reasonable to view life that way for yourself.  You forget that in nearly all cases, we reasonably suspect a story to be false precisely because it sounds improbable.  So improbabilities are a sword that cuts both ways.
Compared to the tissue of utterly ungrounded hypotheses that Alter fabricates as an alternative, it seems by far the more sober choice.
Posted by Tim | February 24, 2019 7:09 PM

Drive-by comments on four reasons cited by McGrew why Torley rejects the account of there being a guard at Jesus' tomb
...My brief comments (inferior to McGrew's) are as follows. Any cheekiness in tone is unintentional, just my quick reactions.

A: so what?
B: it would be nice to have everything explained, but we don't get that in ancient documents. How is the fact that not everything the critic wants explained gets explained an argument against an account.
...Posted by Joe Lightfoot | February 24, 2019 8:43 PM
 Yes, the lack of explanation is not infallible proof of falsity, but the lack of explanation is indeed a typical feature of fabricated alibis and stories.  Lack of explanation leaves room for the fact-finder to consider that an explanation inconsistent with the given story, is the actual 'truth'.
Without fail, the one element everybody arguing against the guard at the tomb overlooks is that the tomb was sealed. There is no way in the world a Roman centurion would have assumed the responsibility for that seal without knowing the body of Jesus was in the tomb.
 But the guards were corrupt and accepted a bribe from the Jews to tell a lie that would likely cause them to be executed (sleeping on the job), so the guards were far more likely to be bribed by the wealthy Joseph of Arimathea to just seal what they knew was an empty tomb, but falsely confess later that they confirmed Jesus was in the tomb before they sealed it.
The temple authorities would have known this, and they knew what the Romans would do. They knew the Romans would have to open and enter the tomb, something Jews couldn't do on the Sabbath.
 Well gee, Jews weren't "allowed" to lie either, yet they are found lying all over the place in the NT.  I have no problems with the theory that the Jewish disciples thought stealing Jesus' body was an exceptional situation calling for departures from normative ethics.  After all, they were known supporters of Jesus and thus equally as amenable to being executed for the same offense Jesus was.  They had a strong motive to do something to make it seem like Jesus was the real deal.  At the end of the day, they are no different than the millions of people who embellish or fabricate their own miracle stories.
That explains why they went to Pilate. They wanted that tomb sealed because they didn't know if the body was in there, either. All they knew was that it had been turned over to Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus, both of whom they likely regarded as political enemies, and these two had allegedly interred it. They had to know the body of Jesus was in there prior to the third day in order to prevent a fake resurrection, and this was the only way they could find out.

Simply put,the guard at the tomb had to be Roman, or the tomb could not have been sealed. A Jewish guard could not do that.
 Well gee, Jews also weren't allowed to lie under oath.  Yet the entire Sanhedrin was responsible for the kangaroo court that eventually had Jesus executed.
It's questionable if the Jews could have even posted a guard without violating the Sabbath rules, but it is for certain they could not have moved the stone. But the Romans could, and they would have had to in order to document the tomb's contents. Furthermore, the soldiers who made up this guard probably had no idea who Jesus was, let alone what He looked like.
 You don't have enough evidence to make  reasonable probably judgment on that point one way or the other.  Jesus was allegedly very popular with the crowds.
That explains why the temple authorities tagged along. They would be needed to provide the witnesses who could identify the body.
 But wouldn't "tagging along" constitute "work"?
Again, we know this had to be done because the tomb was sealed. The centurion in charge would not have assumed responsibility for the seal unless he had eyewitness identification of a body he had seen with his own eyes. Seals are nothing to trifle with, even today, but in those days Roman discipline was severe, and no soldier was going to half do his job, and leave himself open to that.
 Except perhaps for the soldiers who were willing to lie in exchange for money, that is, the soldiers who were involved in the alleged sealing of the tomb.
In addition, this explains two other questions that arise from Matthew's account, one of which came up here.

When the tomb was entered by followers of Jesus following the resurrection, the napkin covering the face of Jesus was lying folded by itself, separated from the other grave clothes. We know that the Jewish burial custom of that time was to wrap the head with a cloth, thus covering the face. That would have to be removed in order to identify the body. The point that it was folded, at least to me, implies a military presence. One of the first things a soldier learns is how to handle personal items. Everything must be folded and stored precisely. The Roman soldier was the best trained the world had ever seen up to that time, and the centurion was the best of the best. A duty of this sort wouldn't be handed out lightly, and a guard detail of this importance would have required a centurion. That alone would explain why the face covering was found folded. A well-trained soldier, in my opinion, would not have simply flung the cloth aside. And, being unfamiliar with Jewish burial practices, he would not have bothered rewrapping the head of Jesus, either. His work was done when the identification was made. Thus it would have made no difference when the guard was posted. The body was there or the Romans would not have affixed the seal of the empire, whether on Friday night or Saturday morning.
 Sorry but the whole resurrection narrative rings hollow, and skeptics are hardly under any intellectual obligation to account for every detail of it, as if our failure to explain the folded napkin somehow shows that we secretly know our skepticism is wrong (!?).  How many features of more modern unsolved crimes are you unable to account for?  Does that mean you know the truth and just aren't willing to admit it?
This would also explain why the account appears only in Matthew's gospel. Matthew had been a tax collector. In order to carry out those duties, he had to know how to use seals. He had to transport the monies he collected from Capernaum, where his booth was, probably to Caesarea, where Pilate - the ultimate recipient of Matthew's liabilities - had his headquarters. The only way to do this securely would be by armed guard, with the money properly documented and sealed. So, once Matthew knew the tomb was sealed, he also knew it had been examined and its contents documented. Alone among the apostles, Matthew knew exactly what that seal meant.
 Or Matthew invented the story because he knew about seals.
Once the tomb was closed and sealed, the guard could be posted. Accounts I've read put the number of soldiers at about 16 for this kind of duty, so that they could be stationed in a fan-shaped formation, with at least four at a time awake while the others slept. There was simply no way anybody could have slipped up on the guard and carried off the body. Yet, the empty tomb was never contested.
Argument from silence.  Dr. McGrew will have none of it.
To the contrary, it was confirmed by the enemies of Jesus, ironically through their very efforts to explain it away.
You don't know why the empty tomb isn't attacked by the earliest critics.  I also haven't "contested" the claims of the Heaven's Day cult, but what does that prove?    You also don't know how much literature against Christianity was authored in the 1st century but destroyed at a very early stage.

You also don't know to what degree the "enemies" of Christianity are being fairly or unfairly represented in the gospel texts.  All you are doing is blindly presuming the truth of bible inerrancy and thus preaching to the choir. 
Seals are very simple and very old devices. We can find them in museums today, and depending on who dated them, some are claimed to pre-date the Roman Empire by over 2,000 years. By the time of Rome, and even up to modern times, they were known to be the most effective way to secure the contents of a container. All of Mr. Alter's objections to the story of the guard at the tomb are easily explained.
Posted by Joe Foster | February 25, 2019 1:10 AM
Professional liars know full well that infusing nuggets of historical truth into a false story is a good way to make it sound more convincing.
Alter's general approach is that any natural explanation is more likely than a miraculous one. From this you get 'well maybe this happened . . . .' Regardless of how weak the explanation is. As long as it's natural, right?
Posted by Callum Savage | February 25, 2019 3:20 AM
Yes, just like if you were being prosecuted for murder on the basis of testimony that was held together by supernatural elements, you'd be screaming your head off that the miraculous automatically makes the testimony inherently unreliable.
    Once the tomb was closed and sealed, the guard could be posted.
Posted by Tony | February 25, 2019 7:28 AM
 And a corrupt guard, willing to accept bribes from the highest bidder, could be posted.  Money talks.

Matthew answers this: Publicly they told a lie, and the Jewish authorities told Pilate, "It's okay, don't get them in trouble."
Now, if some became Christians, presumably those guards, would have stopped telling that lie. But by that time nobody was trying to get them in trouble.
Posted by Lydia | February 25, 2019 4:49 PM
So even Lydia, who has no history of mistaking speculation for inerrant truth, of course, is unable to resist the temptation to confuse speculation with truth.
No more needed to happen that that the other writers decided that they didn't want to include the detail about the guards.
 But WHY Mark, Luke and John would not find the guard story compelling, is a legitimate topic to investigate.  Just like you wish to investigate, as a prosecutor, any possible alibi-destroying hypothesis that the man you charged with murder doesn't wish to talk about.
As with the argument from silence in histories, the argument from lack of perfect parallel is extremely weak in general, and here is no stronger. All you can say about Mark and Luke not including it, is that Mark and Luke didn't include it. Whether that was because they didn't know about the event, or didn't feel it important enough to add to their account, or wanted to leave some details vague and ambiguous, we can't discover from inside the texts.
Posted by Tony | February 25, 2019 6:54 PM
 But we can be reasonable to hypothesize that because the guards-at-the-tomb story would make the events of Easter Morning sound more miraculous, they WOULD have mentioned such things, had they known about them, so it's likely they are silent because they didn't know such stories.


Then you have the theological problem of the Holy Spirit allegedly moving Matthew to include the story, and moving Mark and Luke to exclude it, when in fact one intelligent being telling others to give different versions of the same story is a being that sounds dishonest.
Alter is deluding himself if he thinks that his job is done once he has raised doubts about the story of the guard. Firstly, he needs to say whether he thinks the tomb really was empty.
Yeah, and you need to give the specific identity of Jack the Ripper.
If it wasn’t empty then why was there a debate about the reason for the empty tomb?
 Maybe because 1st century Jews believed in physical resurrection, so that by claiming Jesus rose from the dead, the Christians were forced to conjure up stories of an empty tomb?  You know, the way they conjured up stories that Paul was a hypocrite regarding Mosaic law (Acts 21:18-21).
Perhaps Alter thinks that there was no such debate and that Matthew invented the story of the guard in order to refute an accusation of theft which Matthew himself had invented. Does Alter think that is plausible?
Well if Licona is correct in saying Matthew had no trouble mixing fact with imagination in the resurrection narrative, then I don't see anything implausible in the idea of a storyteller getting sufficiently stupid with his invented details that he finally has to resort to supernatural explanations to make the story sound convincing.  That's pretty sad.  If you ever got into a disagreement with anybody and they tried to shore up the problems in their version of events by resorting to supernatural explanations, you know god-damn well you wouldn't believe them.  Apologetics is uselessly and purely academic, it's word-plays and what-if scenarios have no significant connection to how life actually happens and how we can be reasonable to suspect that a logically possible story is likely false.
Perhaps there really was a debate but both sides were mistaken in thinking the tomb was empty. Does Alter think that is plausible? Or perhaps the tomb really was empty. In that case Alter needs to explain why it was empty. Then he needs to explain the rest of the evidence.
All of those issues will need to be addressed even if the story of the guard is discounted. But it still hasn’t been established that the story should be discounted. All that we have seen so far is a weak attempt to cast doubt on the story.
Posted by David Madison | February 26, 2019 5:02 AM
Yeah, but, what if Alter, while in the middle of doing research to fulfill your demand that he answer the other evidence, dies in a car accident, that is, dies as a non-Christian who said "no" to the gospel invitation?  Will he go to hell?  If so, then what should you have said?  That Alter answer other apologetics concerns, or get saved?
"Alter's general approach is that any natural explanation is more likely than a miraculous one. From this you get 'well maybe this happened . . . .' Regardless of how weak the explanation is."
That's one of the things that makes this form of argumentation frustrating. Among those predisposed to doubt the supernatural it all looks very cut-and-dried. But its proponents tend not to see its question-begging aspects because of their prior commitments. It's something like fundamentalism in reverse, and it appears in "liberal" historiography quite often.
Posted by Nice Marmot | February 26, 2019 6:33 AM
 Sorry I'm not seeing how my naturalistic explanation for the empty tomb involves any question-begging fallacy.
    But its proponents tend not to see its question-begging aspects because of their prior commitments.
That's quite true, NM.
In order for them to avoid question-begging, they would have to modify the premise to something along the lines of "all other things being equal, any natural explanation is more likely than a miraculous one". But of course, this is history, not math or physics, and "all other things being equal" doesn't ever happen: real facts on the ground are always different in some respect. It all then comes down to whether the real and different facts are pertinent to the issue, and of course presuming that facts that tend to point in the direction of the miraculous are themselves to be set at naught (or nearly so) is part of the question-begging.
Posted by Tony | February 26, 2019 10:21 AM
 No, you are forgetting how strong the case is for the anonymity of the gospels, and how stupid it is to pretend anonymous testimony can be sufficient to establish "facts".
Thanks for this article. I had taken it that they requested the guard on the Saturday and that this was an indication of the authenticity of the account, because if Matthew was making up the story he would have ensured the guard was on site right from the moment of burial.
Posted by Paul McCauley | February 26, 2019 2:29 P
 Or...Matthew is a story-telling liar, and he doesn't do the most efficient job he can of lying...like millions of other liars.

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